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Good thing they aren’t being shoehorned into a scientific theory.
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Why you should think that the Natural-Evolution of species is true
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buffalo
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Yes, it does. They adapt and are show variation within. It falls under devolution more correctly and molecules to man, macro-evolution it does not.In other words, the Church allows that evolution by means of the mutation of genes over time could be a mechanism that was employed by Providence to create diversity of species.
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Aloysium
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Genesis describes creation based on the science of its times. It’s actually understandable, through the grace of the Holy Spirit, by all people capable of rational thought, of all ages, in all times. We all would have our own interpretation, I suppose based on our relationship with God and the world around us. For those interested, it is guided by the teachings of the church and our understanding of science, and is usually a work in progress, given the depth of meaning it contains.If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven ,
Essentially, what it tells us about the creation of the world is that nothing exists that was not brought into being by God. Although each thing within the totality of interrelated events that make up the symphony of creation, has its own existence, the Ground of that being is Existence itself, bringing everything forth through an eternal Act of Being. The existence at the Godhead may be likened to a perpetual fountain of Divine being, creation is cyclical time, progressing while the ontological Roots remain unchanged and intimately involved in all that exists, in its moment. The complexity of that in which we participate came about in a step-wise fashion, each layer involving the creation of kinds of being utilizing what had previously been created. Creation of the kinds of things that are continuously brought into being ended after 6 “days”. With the fall,however, things began devolving as death entered the world.
In accordance with modern views of the world, we can say that all this exists in a hierarchy of existent things from an original “light” to we ourselves, each form of being, existing in itself and as part of some greater whole. The nature of everything is relational; the properties of each thing determine what it is through how it interacts with everything that it isn’t. The carbon atom, for example possesses an electrostatic tetrahedral shape which makes an infinite series of diverse molecules possible , thereby making it the perfect building block for living things. Each atom exists as part of that level of existence that is studied by the field of chemistry. At the other end of creation, we are one mankind united in love and divided in sin, each of us individual persons. Each person is a unity of matter organized in such a way as to express our psychological, by the spirit which defines our humanity. Our spiritual nature, a relational self-other, allows us to know and to act freely; we are one whole being, capable of deciding what we do with what we have been given. This allows us to love and to participate in our own creation within a universe brought forth in love, by Love itself.
To be continued. . .
I agree, but apparently from another perspective.Please, people, learn something about this subject or do not comment. It is embarrassing.
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The question is not a matter of how (i.e., science), but why. Why would God create or change species? If evolution is true, then why did God put evolution into the hearts and minds? Or, is evolution simply more sin to make humanity lose focus over what is important (i.e., the why, not how)? What does evolution have to do with my or your relationship with God? If evolution is true, are we somehow closer or further away from God? I would reexamine that relationship than some fairy tale and metaphors of science.
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Fortunate to have visited the Galapagos, I was struck with how Genesis 1 resonates with the emergence of volcanic islands from the sea, how the barren rock is covered with the simplest plant life, which gradually takes hold, allowing for larger and more complex plants to later flourish, how fish and birds enter their sphere from the sea and from the air, followed by land animals and ultimately human beings.Genesis describes creation based on the science of its times.
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Now we’ve got the big bang to interpret on the basis of revealed truth. Evolution is pseudoscience, merely a story rather than any empirically derived truth, a mythos modern mankind uses to define itself and justify its mores. The actual data fits creation so much better.
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Atreju
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We live on a planet with a wide variety of ecosystems that change over time. Evolution is an elegant solution that allows life to adapt and spread throughout Earth.
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Aloysium
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Creation is an elegant solution to the existence of individual life forms, a unity of material and psychological structures in one whole individual being, existing in relation to everything else. It speaks to the glory of God as Beauty, Truth, and Goodness, in addition to His infinite creativity and involvement in every aspect of what He brings into existence. It addresses the undeniable reality of suffering and gives meaning to the struggles we face in life, providing us with the solution of Christian transcendence in the Cross.Evolution is an elegant solution that allows life to adapt and spread throughout Earth.
Evolution is elegant to those who believe that out of chaos order arises and that utilitarian principles lie at the heart of existence.
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Atreju
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We’re not talking about atheism versus Christianity, I’m talking about natural evolutionary design versus magical static design. I’m saying God created life that adapts and changes along with a vibrant, dynamic, and diverse Earth.
Most Christians believe in biological evolution. Please stop conflating it with atheism.
Most Christians believe in biological evolution. Please stop conflating it with atheism.
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I did not mention atheism; that would be an association you are making.I’m saying God created life that adapts and changes along with a vibrant, dynamic, and diverse Earth.
Most Christians believe in biological evolution. Please stop conflating it with atheism.
Little critical thought is applied to what we are bombarded with in the media and in schools from the moment we can comprehend such matters. I can’t argue that most Christians believe in evolution theories, in spite of their being simplistic and vague, falling short of any sort of meaningful explanation of what all this is and how it came about. They are generally accepted, as pretty much everything else by authority. Most people don’t care, but some like yourself seem to want to argue the point rather considering that there might be a better way to look at the scientific data.
The adaptation of life to its environment does not explain the individual existence of living things, as manifestations of their kind of being, which was created in such a way as to allow for the diversity. Nor does it address the existence and formation of the psychological organization of the nervous system that allows for the capacities of animals to instinctively perceive and react as participants in their world. And, this is not even to mention our free will and rational mind, which requires a brain organized in such a way to express those human traits, all one unity in the person.
I would be interested in what you mean by “biological evolution”. What do you think is the connection between inert matter for example, or perhaps the first bacterium and ourselves. What would have happened in time from a primordial world to this current anthropocene era.
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Most of this is just incorrect, factually. Christian biologists such as Francis Collins and Catholic Ken Miller are extremely well-versed on the subject, they don’t just blindly accept it out of ignorance. Nor are the theories simplistic and vague, if you think that then I am sure you have not actually studied them at all, and are instead relying on vague, simplistic caricatures. And anyone who has studied the nervous system can see how biological evolution can produce a system that reacts to its environment, the nervous system is based on chemistry.
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It’s not a good idea, when someone asks that you might wish to take a critical approach, to appeal to authority.And anyone who has studied the nervous system can see how biological evolution can produce a system that reacts to its environment, the nervous system is based on chemistry.
What you state here is not true since there exists at least one person who has studied the human nervous system extensively and understands its biochemical underpinings, but can find no way that biological evolution could produce such a physical structure, which it must be noted is one with the psychological and spiritual, as we are acutely aware of, here and now, as we contemplate these matters.
You may wish to consider what I added to my post evidently after you posted a reply:
I would be interested in what you mean by “biological evolution”. What do you think is the connection between inert matter for example, or perhaps the first bacterium and ourselves. What would have happened in time from a primordial world to this current anthropocene era.
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buffalo
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Better: Design is an elegant solution…Evolution is an elegant solution that allows life to adapt and spread throughout Earth.
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Atreju
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Static design is less elegant than evolutionary design in changing environments. The designer would need to recreate or step in and alter the creation every time the environment changes.
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Atreju
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Why is the nervous system, even a simple nervous system, impossible to be produced by evolution? Not talking about the evolution of souls. Does this also apply to the sensory mechanisms of plants and single-celled organisms?
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buffalo
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Absolutely not. Adaptive design is what we are speaking of.Static design is less elegant than evolutionary design in changing environments. The designer would need to recreate or step in and alter the creation every time the environment changes.
What is IDvolution?
IDvolution - God “breathed” the super language of DNA into the “kinds” in the creative act.This accounts for the diversity of life we see. The core makeup shared by all living things have the necessary complex information built in that facilitates rapid and responsive adaptation of features and variation while being able to preserve the “kind” that they began as. Life has been created with the creativity built in ready to respond to triggering events.
Since it has been demonstrated that all living organisms on Earth have the same core, it is virtually certain that living organisms have been thought of AT ONCE by the One and the same Creator endowed with the super language we know as DNA that switched on the formation of the various kinds, the cattle, the swimming creatures, the flying creatures, etc… in a pristine harmonious state and superb adaptability and responsiveness to their environment for the purpose of populating the earth that became subject to the ravages of corruption by the sin of one man (deleterious mutations).
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Atreju
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If God created creatures that evolve within “Kinds” (which is totally undefined and nonscientific) why can’t God create creatures that evolve without that arbitrary limitation?
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buffalo
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He could have but that is not what we see. The fossil record over and over shows abrupt appearance, stasis and variation within.If God created creatures that evolve within “Kinds” (which is totally undefined and nonscientific) why can’t God create creatures that evolve without that arbitrary limitation?
The “kinds” will become more apparent as we move from the Linnaen system to a genetic one.
I am not sure why you would call the designed limits of micro-evolution (adaptation) arbitrary.
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Atreju
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This is a totally incorrect representation of the fossil record.
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buffalo
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No. It is accurate. Surprised you didn’t know this…This is a totally incorrect representation of the fossil record.
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rossum
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They are “arbitrary” because we have yet to see an objective way to define where those boundaries lie. For example, how many Biblical kinds are there among marsupials? Is there just one “marsupial kind” or are there multiple kinds within the marsupial clade? What objective measures can you provide to support your answer.I am not sure why you would call the designed limits of micro-evolution (adaptation) arbitrary.
The problem is that different creationists are inconsistent about where they draw the boundaries. Without objectively defined boundaries then ‘kind’ is effectively useless as a scientific tool.
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