Why you should think that the Natural-Evolution of species is true

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Notice that there are words but no evidence provided about the magical wall. So, please provide such evidence, but make certain that it’s from an actual scientific source instead of saying it’s there (somewhere).

I’ve spent over 50 years studying and teaching this, and I have yet to see one shred of evidence submitted by any scientist that gives evidence for this magical wall. There simply is not one shred of evidence that I have ever seen, including in my theological studies whereas there’s a convergence on Creation, that suggest that evolution magically stops before hitting the genus level-- not one-- and if one doesn’t believe me, then I would suggest putting forth such evidence from an actual scientific source, not a “creationist” one.

However, all we’re likely to see back in return is just more song & dance matched with more deflection away from answering that basic question.

The reality, and I think most people are aware of this, is that the only real obstacle for accepting the basic ToE has nothing to do with science but much more to do with a literalistic interpretation of the Creation accounts.
 
rossum said:
Appearances can be deceptive. Human senses and human intuition are sometimes in error.
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“Can be” and “sometimes”?

If that is the case, it might be better to sit in silence; but instead, let’s take a look at Buddhism from a Christian perspective.

The Dharma, as the order of things, is reality as-it-is. The Buddha taught how we transcend our condition of suffering by overcoming ignorance and gaining an awareness of reality by means of the Noble Eightfold Path. The outcome, enlightenment is knowing reality as-it-is. From that perspective one would say that all the constituent forms of the universe are transient and therefore not grounded in themselves. We do not bring ourselves into existence, and what this implies is that our being, along with that of the universe, is dependent on a transcendent Cause. This recognition allows for the liberation from suffering; whether I live or die, that which is the the Source of who I am, Existence itself, is eternal. The idea of emptiness relates to the transient and conditioned nature of phenomena. Perceived reality is illusory in the sense that, thinking ourselves gods, the appearance is considered truth when it is merely a finite perspective on that truth. Reality lies in the connection between ourselves and what is other to us, things that are, united in love. Love itself is God.

Sometimes we pray in quiet meditation, and sometimes we need to speak our minds.
 
Metis1 said:
The reality, and I think most people are aware of this, is that the only real obstacle for accepting the basic ToE has nothing to do with science but much more to do with a literalistic interpretation of the Creation accounts.
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Who are you trying to convince?
 
Please provide the evidence instead of deflecting-- as I predicted at least someone would do. It’s there or it’s not there, so where is it?
 
Aloysium said:
“Can be” and “sometimes”?
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Correct. We see the sun in the sky. That is not deceptive; it is not a mirage.

However, in some cases we are deceived, as with the apparent fixity of species. That is a common error.
If that is the case, it might be better to sit in silence; but instead, let’s take a look at Buddhism from a Christian perspective.
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You are in the wrong thread for such a discussion. By all means start a new thread in the “Non-Catholic” section and I will be happy to discuss. You might want to read up on Nargajuna, as my approach to Buddhist philosophy is based on the Madhyamika-Prasangika school.

This thread is about a science subject, and in science the evidence has a great deal of weight. Evolution is very successful as science because it has a great deal of supporting evidence.

Neither ID nor YEC nor OEC creationism have anywhere near as much evidence. Theistic Evolution has all the same evidence that Biological Evolution does, though it does have a problem with Occam’s Razor.

rossum
 
Why He should limit our knowledge? That doesn’t seems wise. People are scattered and don’t have a common belief on all subject matter. Is that good?
 
This is not about science. “accepting” this is not a critical life issue. It is only a marketing campaign to promote an ideology.
 
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edwest:
This is not about science. “accepting” this is not a critical life issue. It is only a marketing campaign to promote an ideology.
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Deep irony from one of our resident creationists.
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The Bible promotes creationists ideas…so he’s in good company. 🙂
 
Techno2000 said:
The Bible promotes creationists ideas…so he’s in good company. 🙂
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The Bible promotes killing witches as well. You might want to be more selective.

Mind you, it also forbids cotton-polyester shirts (Leviticus 19:19), so it does have some good points.

rossum
 
STT said:
Why He should limit our knowledge? That doesn’t seems wise. People are scattered and don’t have a common belief on all subject matter. Is that good?
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We limit our own knowledge. We have done so since the moment of our creation when we placed ourselves at the centre of the garden that represents our relationships. The good would have been to do the will of God and thereby be open to His blessings. Jesus is the one true Shepherd who gathers His scattered flock to the highest reality which is Love.
 
Metis1 said:
Please provide the evidence instead of deflecting-- as I predicted at least someone would do. It’s there or it’s not there, so where is it?
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What evidence are you looking for?
Creation? You exist, and do not bring yourself into being.
Humankind? Look in the mirror and compare what you see to your kids, go to the corner store, gaze into your spouse’s eyes, you will note that we are all one kind of thing and different.
That random mutations are detrimental? Visit a cancer ward.
That natural selection is nothing more complicated than death? Look at the fossil record.
I suppose this will be considered a deflection; one towards the truth, I would say.
 
We either surrender to the truth, which is God, or we can revel in our illusions. Intellectual pride can be our downfall as we chase our own logic rather than the laws that constitute reality.
 
Do you like to know more? Every intellectual agent like to know more. Are you saying that is a sin?
 
edwest said:
This is not about science. “accepting” this is not a critical life issue. It is only a marketing campaign to promote an ideology.
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Isn’t it just amazing how every single one of the people against evolution in this thread could not accurately describe what the theory says if their life depended on it?
 
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