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Atreju
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Orchid is a huge family.
Why you should think that the Natural-Evolution of species is true
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Atreju
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So before moving on, “selective breeding” is just another word for evolution, except instead of humans selecting which plants of a species to re-seed, the environment selects which plants grow and reproduce most. So whereas humans will select for tastiness, a natural environment with plant-eating animals will select those that have the best defense system, like sharper or more visible thorns, and also those with the brightest flowers in order to best attract pollenating insects. A plant with thorns on its seeds might have those cling to a wooly animal might carry the seeds to a wider range, which would greatly increase its reproductive capacity. Lots of stuff like that.Atreju:
Great, selective breeding, let move on to our next plant…the wild Orchids, the kind that grow in the jungle that man has never touched.
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edwest
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This is highly speculative.
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Techno2000
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Right, thousands of different species, just give me one environmental change scenario that was the catalyst for evolution to produce one species of Orchid.
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Atreju
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It’s highly speculative that artichokes have evolved to be easier for humans to eat due to selective breeding?
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Atreju
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The fly orchid (pictured below) evolved to look more and more like the female of a species of bee, so that males of those species would be attracted to it, and carry pollen to other fly orchids.
Exactly the same way domesticated artichokes evolved to look and taste attractive to humans in order to attract humans which will plant more of them.
Exactly the same way domesticated artichokes evolved to look and taste attractive to humans in order to attract humans which will plant more of them.
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edwest
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Selective breeding is not evolution. Plant grafting is mentioned in the Bible.
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Techno2000
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How did the fly orchid survive while it had to wait for evolution to produce this male attracting feature ?
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Aloysium
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Yet another comment that’s difficult to understand because there’s actually no connection between what he says and what I’ve been writing. You’re not a science geek, because i am and I know that species very well. They tend to ridicule anything foggy headed and sounding airy-fairy. What I write ain’t it. So, I’ll just figure it’s a failed attempt at a put down, albeit successful in eliciting a response.
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edwest
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So the plant knew how to guide humans to plant more of the plant? That’s ridiculous.
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Atreju
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It had some other petal shape that allowed for pollination, but those that looked most like a female fly had a better chance of being pollinated, and that form dominated.Atreju:
How did the fly orchid survive while it had to wait for evolution to produce this male attracting feature ?
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Atreju
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Yes it is, because that is a strawman and a childlike misunderstanding of evolution.
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Techno2000
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So,a plant had the intelligence to mimic an insect.Techno2000:
It had some other petal shape that allowed for pollination, but those that looked most like a female fly had a better chance of being pollinated, and that form dominated.Atreju:
How did the fly orchid survive while it had to wait for evolution to produce this male attracting feature ?
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Atreju
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I don’t know what to tell you, you’re using woo-woo just like Choprah does. Read any biology journal and you’re not going to be hearing about “ontological levels” and “existential realities”, really vaguely and tossing in scientific terms seemingly at random without ever explaining what the connection is, or making any specific predictions. You seem allergic to specificity in language, which is fundamental in science and most fields.Atreju:
Yet another comment that’s difficult to understand because there’s actually no connection between what he says and what I’ve been writing. You’re not a science geek, because i am and I know that species very well. They tend to ridicule anything foggy headed and sounding airy-fairy. What I write ain’t it. So, I’ll just figure it’s a failed attempt at a put down, albeit successful in eliciting a response.
Deepak Choprah is smart, he has a scientific degree, but he’s just really wedded to a bizarre metaphysics and that leads him to really weird places, and just about everyone in the fields he’s talking about thinks he’s talking nonsense. You’re not very different.
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Atreju
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Remember that time you asked me why I thought you had an extremely poor understanding of the subject? Posts like this are why.So,a plant had the intelligence to mimic an insect.
Are modern artichokes tasty to humans because they ‘had the intelligence to make themselves tasty to humans’?
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Techno2000
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Ok, your right, evolution had the intelligence to mimic an insect.Techno2000:
Remember that time you asked me why I thought you had an extremely poor understanding of the subject? Posts like this are why.So,a plant had the intelligence to mimic an insect.
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edwest
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I feel a lengthy laughing fit coming on. Oh wait, it’s gone now. No worries.
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Atreju
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Nope. Right now I’m feeling like this.
I don’t know how to help you, man. Go back to middle school.
I don’t know how to help you, man. Go back to middle school.
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Techno2000
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Lol…you’re the one that believes a rat like creature morphed into a Whale.
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Atreju
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I also believe that Chinese people can stick to the bottom of the world, crazy! Do they have sticky shoes or something?
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