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buffalo
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So you do not really understand the data.
Why you should think that the Natural-Evolution of species is true
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PhiriTalk
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Are you kidding?
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PhiriTalk
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You’re literally promoting dangerous conspiracy theories. You don’t get decide the way things are, they just are the way they are regardless of what you think.
Confirmation bias is the absolute worst thing.
Confirmation bias is the absolute worst thing.
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If you take a snapshot of the background radiation then by definition earth will be at the centre. What’s got you all excited is a few micro Kelvin differences in just two quadrants that align with the earth.Bradskii:
So you do not really understand the data.
There are two types of people who are interested in this. Scientists who like to look for explanations for apparent anomalies and fundamental Christians who think it proves a point. About a planet they think is a few thousand years old.
As I said, the entertainment value of this thread is too high to let it die.
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PhiriTalk
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The Catholic Bible literally says “thou shall not kill”. What about this could be unclear?
God says “thou shall not kill”, therefore, I don’t kill.
God says “thou shall not kill”, therefore, I don’t kill.
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buffalo
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You did not answer.
Was the Cobe, Plank and WMAP satellite data wrong that shows the earth in a special place?
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buffalo
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This is hilarious.
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PhiriTalk
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Special how? I have no idea what you’re talking about.
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rossum
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It is not in the special place you think it is. The data showed that earth is very close to the centre of the observable universe. We do move around the centre of the galaxy after all.
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buffalo
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Right, you are replying without understanding,
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buffalo
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Duh. Wherever one is observing from they are the center of the observable universe. Nice try though. Typical, head in the sand answers.
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Anrakyr
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Then it wouldn’t be a stress point but you’re stressing it.
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And you are replying without explanation. Since we cannot read your mind we have to assume that you are referring to Borges’ universe:
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Bradskii
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Buffalo represents himself. Nothing more.
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Aloysium
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Not finding much to comment on in the last number of posts, I thought I’d go back to where I left off, to rekindle what I find important to this subject.
I guess the me of fifty years ago would see me now as just another old coot who went off his rocker in the last decade of their lives. That one who pretty much saw evolution as fact, and has turned 180 degrees from that position in recent years. It matters personally because it is important to know who we are and how we got to be here. We see in the readings after Easter, how Jesus revealed himself to individuals; there was no mass assembly, where he would be ultimately unreachable. We, as individual members of His Church, can know Him here and now. In that context, the basic science, the evidence, the equations and what is revealed empirically of the relationships that define the material world, makes truest sense when it is seen in the light that is Jesus Christ, in whom God and His creation, commune.
The ToE is an illusion, a putting together of the facts, utilizing false assumptions, to come up with a distorted image of who we are and how we got here. While all life shares in the basic information that makes organisms what they are, that information did not generate itself, nor was it transmitted, growing in complexity up the hierarchy of living things. It is erroneous to think that there is a common descent of all living forms, from one, or a very small number of primitive unicellular organisms, which diversified, and in increasing complexity through time. This belief is founded on the false assumption that what we find in nature is the result of random material events occuring at the level of the genome, modulated by the capacity of the phenotype, the adult organism, to fit in its environment and reproduce.
What can of worms? There’s much to be learned among these very many posts.You was right!
Speaking for myself, most definitely.
I guess the me of fifty years ago would see me now as just another old coot who went off his rocker in the last decade of their lives. That one who pretty much saw evolution as fact, and has turned 180 degrees from that position in recent years. It matters personally because it is important to know who we are and how we got to be here. We see in the readings after Easter, how Jesus revealed himself to individuals; there was no mass assembly, where he would be ultimately unreachable. We, as individual members of His Church, can know Him here and now. In that context, the basic science, the evidence, the equations and what is revealed empirically of the relationships that define the material world, makes truest sense when it is seen in the light that is Jesus Christ, in whom God and His creation, commune.
The ToE is an illusion, a putting together of the facts, utilizing false assumptions, to come up with a distorted image of who we are and how we got here. While all life shares in the basic information that makes organisms what they are, that information did not generate itself, nor was it transmitted, growing in complexity up the hierarchy of living things. It is erroneous to think that there is a common descent of all living forms, from one, or a very small number of primitive unicellular organisms, which diversified, and in increasing complexity through time. This belief is founded on the false assumption that what we find in nature is the result of random material events occuring at the level of the genome, modulated by the capacity of the phenotype, the adult organism, to fit in its environment and reproduce.
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What was described by Darwin is what has been referred to as microevolution, changes over time in the appearance of different kinds of organisms, like finches. There seems to be unanimity in seeing this to be true. What there is absolutely no evidence for, is macroevolution.
The fact is that big evolution, the idea that we, plants and animals share a common ancestry, lacks a solid foundation. There is no credible explanation as to how the process initiated. Reason informs us that the life form(s) that were present at the foundation of this garden planet, could not have come to be as a result of purely chemical processes. That would be one reason why some people believe in God. The fact is that God, bringing matter first into existence, and from them moulding the simplest life forms, would not have had to stop there. He has been involved, as He is today with each of us, at every step up the hierarchy of life.
This very moment is one of creation, the presence of a multitude of beings where there should be nothing, The collection of individual life forms, which come and go, together constitute our environment and is perpetually undergoing change. Its temporal origins began with the bringing forth of different kinds of organisms, successively more complex and capable of change. What was created at each step were new forms of being, of relationships that would contribute to the next step.
We are made up of a hierarchy of being that in its simplest form is molecular. Basic atomic interactions allow for the shapes of very complex molecules, which provide for a multitude of the more elaborate interactions that allow for the structure and the processes that make up the cell. These in turn diversify into the tissues that come together as organ systems, working together to form a multicellular organism, such as we ourselves. Among the various activities of the body, necessary for its life, are those of the nervous sytem, whose structure is organized along psychological properties, allowing us to perceive, to feel, to think and to act. These words appear on the page as the outcome of neurological patterns of excitation in different areas of the brain, ultimately grounded in the human will that is an aspect of our spiritual nature, which is the organizing principle for the entire process that is the person. This final state, which is what we here are, is an expression of the the last in a series of creative acts, that took place in time, beginning with the bringing into being of matter, followed by the creation of simple life forms, plants and then animals.
The fact is that big evolution, the idea that we, plants and animals share a common ancestry, lacks a solid foundation. There is no credible explanation as to how the process initiated. Reason informs us that the life form(s) that were present at the foundation of this garden planet, could not have come to be as a result of purely chemical processes. That would be one reason why some people believe in God. The fact is that God, bringing matter first into existence, and from them moulding the simplest life forms, would not have had to stop there. He has been involved, as He is today with each of us, at every step up the hierarchy of life.
This very moment is one of creation, the presence of a multitude of beings where there should be nothing, The collection of individual life forms, which come and go, together constitute our environment and is perpetually undergoing change. Its temporal origins began with the bringing forth of different kinds of organisms, successively more complex and capable of change. What was created at each step were new forms of being, of relationships that would contribute to the next step.
We are made up of a hierarchy of being that in its simplest form is molecular. Basic atomic interactions allow for the shapes of very complex molecules, which provide for a multitude of the more elaborate interactions that allow for the structure and the processes that make up the cell. These in turn diversify into the tissues that come together as organ systems, working together to form a multicellular organism, such as we ourselves. Among the various activities of the body, necessary for its life, are those of the nervous sytem, whose structure is organized along psychological properties, allowing us to perceive, to feel, to think and to act. These words appear on the page as the outcome of neurological patterns of excitation in different areas of the brain, ultimately grounded in the human will that is an aspect of our spiritual nature, which is the organizing principle for the entire process that is the person. This final state, which is what we here are, is an expression of the the last in a series of creative acts, that took place in time, beginning with the bringing into being of matter, followed by the creation of simple life forms, plants and then animals.
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PickyPicky
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Beautifully written, @Aloysium.
For me, what you say hinges on this sentence:
For me, what you say hinges on this sentence:
… and for me reason does no such thing. Each to his own.
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That is exactly right.
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edwest211
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Please stop your own conspiracy theory.
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PhiriTalk
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What conspiracy theory have I promoted? Evolution isn’t a conspiracy theory, it’s a fact.
You can’t be catholic and reject evolution at the same time. Humans don’t get to tell God what he can and can’t do.
You can’t be catholic and reject evolution at the same time. Humans don’t get to tell God what he can and can’t do.
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