Why you should think that the Natural-Evolution of species is true

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Rather, it’s the creationists who attempt to force a single interpretation on the text.
What we are obliged to do is to inform ourselves of the Church’s interpretations, as outlined in the Catechism, which seeks to make eternal truths, written in accordance with the worldviews of their time, relevant in the modern world. It does allow us to believe whatever we want in terms of science as long as it doesn’t preclude the truth.

I’m not bothered by people thinking they are descended from “monkeys” any more than if they were to believe in Big Foot, the Loch Ness Monster or Leprechauns. At issue is the stated mechanism of evolution, which among other distortions, implies the primacy of the material, the diminution of mankind to animal status, thusly suggesting that we can do what we will and neglect the basic reality of the cosmos - Love, and the placing of what is utilitarian (aka survival) above everything that in nature points to the glory and beauty that is God. There are consequnces to this attitude in our behaviour. Quite a lot of the evil we find in the world today is justified by the belief that we are animals, brought forth by the powers of the earth.

If one who believes otherwise were to treat “creationists” as less of a foil in intellectual combat, and consider what they as individuals write, one will observe what is quite a diversity of opinions and interpretations.

My point of contention with evolutionary theories is that they are bad science, if they are science at all and not merely the secular mythos of our times. I must say that it is science, as it has been practiced or at least presented through the media and taught in schools, that forces us into a single interpretation. The sketchy evidence we have, has been forced into false coherence by unverifiable assumptions and thereby distorted into the story of evolution. Any evidence outside that framework is either eliminate because of its nonadherence to the “fact” of evolution, or distorted to fit that picture.
 
Whether a Genesis creation “day” is literally 24 hours or not…
It is 24 hours. There was some guy I read on a forum who was absolutely sure about it. He was SO insistent. It was in a thread discussing evolution.

But just between you and me, he knew very little about the subject. Something of an ark-believing, talking snake, this-is-the-literal-word-of-god type of guy. Seemed to spend all his time writing about evolution but had spent no time actually investigating it. Kept a few of us in stiches. You couldn’t make some of the stuff up. It was beyond satire.
 
Yay! “A proper understanding.” According to Glark. Really, even the literalists can’t get their literalism to match.
No, seriously; “For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them” doesn’t refer to the universe and planet earth, but the six days of creation, which occured after the creation of the planet earth.
If you care to read Genesis 1 you will find that the earth’s atmosphere is called “the heavens” (v.8), dry land is called “earth” (v.10) and the oceans are called “the sea” (v.10).
I realize that as a thevo, your knowledge of Scripture is very limited and superficial, because theovos don’t respect Scripture and don’t care what God’s Word says.
Yay! Wrigglin’ like a worm on a hook. The clear and obvious meaning of Genesis. According to Glark
Is this your best argument? 🍭
 
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How long was a creation day? Could it have been eternity?
God creates from eternity, so from that perspective, we may believe that it has all happened in an instant. In other words, God brings forth and witnesses every single moment eternally.

It depends on the nature of time and how we measure it. If we consider it a collection of events, it would seem reasonable to think that what constitutes all the events that are happening within the universe during the next 24 hours is equivalent to the totality of events happening in the early universe, when much less existed, over billions of years, in terms of everything that happens in the universe at one time now. I’m not actually sure that would work out mathematically, but it does address the influence of perspective on our understandings of the world about us.
 
How does one get from “day” to “eternity”? In other words, how is a very short period of time interpreted as a very long period of time? I don’t understand inverse symbolism.
 
In fact, the Hebrew word that’s used in Genesis 1 - ‘yom’ - is typically translated ‘day’, but can also be translated as an ‘age’ or an ‘epoch’. So, whereas there are plenty of examples where it can be translated ‘day’, there are others in which another interpretation is possible. Therefore, your assertion that it’s “clearly” one rather than the other is merely an interpretative stance, not an absolute necessity.

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Glark:
If I remember, it is translated as day several hundred times in the Bible,
 
And before the first day there must have been an infinite previous ‘day’ that he had used to create the creatures who were with Him before he created man - Gen. 1:28. Here I am referring to Angels, not the Trinity.
“Thus says the Lord GOD: You were the signet of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God” - Ezekiel 28:11.

Lucifer was in Eden before the Fall of the angels and the creation of man?
 
I give this man credibility because he was correct. Humans did descend from primates, with both hair and tails that lived in the Old World; Africa to be precise. In modern terms, Homo sapiens is classified as a Catarrhine primate.

Why do you have a problem with a true statement?

rossum
The fossils themselves do not support it. Did God Himself classify us that way? Oh no, it was man who did trying to justify his Godless theory.
 
How long was a creation day? Could it have been eternity?
Just so we didn’t make this mistake it was clarified several times.

Evening came and morning came: the first day.
Evening came and morning came: the second day.
Evening came and morning came: the third day.
Evening came and morning came: the fourth day.
Evening came and morning came: the fifth day.
Evening came and morning came: the sixth day.
 
We have a great many found links, which support the theory of evolution in general and the evolution of Homo sapiens from earlier Hominid and Primate ancestors in particular.
No we don’t and those that are many have been washed together and difficult to even figure out which belonged to which.
 
What we are obliged to do is to inform ourselves of the Church’s interpretations, as outlined in the Catechism, which seeks to make eternal truths, written in accordance with the worldviews of their time, relevant in the modern world. It does allow us to believe whatever we want in terms of science as long as it doesn’t preclude the truth.

I’m not bothered by people thinking they are descended from “monkeys” any more than if they were to believe in Big Foot, the Loch Ness Monster or Leprechauns. At issue is the stated mechanism of evolution, which among other distortions, implies the primacy of the material, the diminution of mankind to animal status, thusly suggesting that we can do what we will and neglect the basic reality of the cosmos - Love, and the placing of what is utilitarian (aka survival) above everything that in nature points to the glory and beauty that is God. There are consequnces to this attitude in our behaviour. Quite a lot of the evil we find in the world today is justified by the belief that we are animals, brought forth by the powers of the earth.

If one who believes otherwise were to treat “creationists” as less of a foil in intellectual combat, and consider what they as individuals write, one will observe what is quite a diversity of opinions and interpretations.

My point of contention with evolutionary theories is that they are bad science, if they are science at all and not merely the secular mythos of our times. I must say that it is science, as it has been practiced or at least presented through the media and taught in schools, that forces us into a single interpretation. The sketchy evidence we have, has been forced into false coherence by unverifiable assumptions and thereby distorted into the story of evolution. Any evidence outside that framework is either eliminate because of its nonadherence to the “fact” of evolution, or distorted to fit that picture.
We are actually doing what the Pope outlined in Humani Generis.
 
Yet, they were pretty cool with the idea that a day was symbolic of one thousand years.
Not so. The “one day is a thousand years” thing simply means God is outside time. It isn’t meant to be taken literally, like a mathematical formula.

Furthermore, even if a day is interpreted as a thousand years, the Genesis account offers only four thousand years in which life was created - which is quite a ways short of the billions of years needed for evolution.
In fact, the Hebrew word that’s used in Genesis 1 - ‘yom’ - is typically translated ‘day’, but can also be translated as an ‘age’ or an ‘epoch
Fair enough - we have all heard of the expression, “In those days …”. But excluding Genesis 1, 2 for a moment, where in the OT is a “day” used symbolically to represent an extremely long period of time?
 
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How does reincarnation fit into Darwin?
Darwin/evolution deals with the physical body. Reincarnation deals with saṃskāra, the component that passes from one life to the next. That is not the same as the physical body.

You do not even need a physical body to be reincarnated, it can be as a god or a hell-being with no physical component at all.

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