Why you should think that the Natural-Evolution of species is true

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rossum said:
And for an eternal being, any finite time is “a short time”, even 13 billion years.
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That’s not the point. What sane person uses a short period of time - a “day” - to symbolise an extremely long period of time - billions of years? That simply makes no sense.
 
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13 billion year is a very short time to the being who wrote/inspired the Bible.

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Glark said:
No, seriously; “For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them” doesn’t refer to the universe and planet earth, but the six days of creation, which occured after the creation of the planet earth.
If you care to read Genesis 1 you will find that the earth’s atmosphere is called “the heavens” (v.8), dry land is called “earth” (v.10) and the oceans are called “the sea” (v.10).
I realize that as a thevo, your knowledge of Scripture is very limited and superficial, because theovos don’t respect Scripture and don’t care what God’s Word says.
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No. Also seriously. The Glark School of Genesis Interpretation has very few followers. “The heavens” does not mean “the atmosphere”, which had no specific meaning until the 17th century. It means, gosh dang, what it says! Almost every Young Earth Creationist believes that God created everything from nothing on the first day of the six 24-hour days mentioned in Genesis. Once you start wandering off into your own Glarkian interpretation, you have nothing but your own personal exegesis to support you, and I don’t think you know anything about it. I realise that as a Glarkian, actual knowledge of scripture is considered trivial compared to the imagination of its Pope, Glarkius the Inimitable, because Glarkians care nothing for anybody’s interpretations but their own.

ME “Yay! Wrigglin’ like a worm on a hook. The clear and obvious meaning of Genesis. According to Glark”
YOU “Is this your best argument?”

Do I need a better?
 
buffalo said:
I wonder how exactly evolutionists deal with America’s declaration “all men are created equal”? Do they just give it lip service?
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The two have nothing to do with each other. Evolution is about the physical while the DOI is about the moral. There is nothing to reconcile.
 
Gorgias said:
Umm… and that’s because yom can mean many things
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… except a very long period of time, such as billions of years.

And you are conveniently ignoring Exodus 20:9-11 … “Six days you shall labor and do all your work … For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them”.
 
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Glark said:
Whether a Genesis creation “day” is literally 24 hours or not, one thing is certain - the author’s intention was to convey the sense that God created life on earth in a very SHORT period of time (to wit: three “days”).
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The author may have indeed thought so. But that assumption on the part of the author is not part of the Catholic Church’s understanding of the meaning of Genesis.
 
Well, I understand you dilemma which is not as big as mine. Starting with 2 Peter 3:8, he says that we should not forget that " With the Lord a day is like a thousand years…" If we take the one day to be equivalent of a thousand years, then if a day (out of the 365000 days in a thousand years), is taken, that single day alone is like a thousand years and so on and on… Remember 364999 days have yet to be accounted for. The one day we started with seems to go to infinity…
 
rossum said:
Darwin/evolution deals with the physical body. Reincarnation deals with saṃskāra, the component that passes from one life to the next. That is not the same as the physical body.

You do not even need a physical body to be reincarnated, it can be as a god or a hell-being with no physical component at all.

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You have a physical body.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
The author may have indeed thought so. But that assumption on the part of the author is not part of the Catholic Church’s understanding of the meaning of Genesis.
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Fine. Let the Church explain to me in which universe a very short period of time - a “day” - is symbolic of a extremely long period of time - billions of years.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
The two have nothing to do with each other. Evolution is about the physical while the DOI is about the moral. There is nothing to reconcile.
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When an atheist evo looks at a human they think they are physically the same?
 
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That is not the meaning of 2Peter 3:8. It simply means God exists outside time. It is not meant to be taken literally, like a mathematical formula.
 
Glark said:
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LeafByNiggle:
The author may have indeed thought so. But that assumption on the part of the author is not part of the Catholic Church’s understanding of the meaning of Genesis.
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Fine. Let the Church explain to me in which universe a very short period of time - a “day” - is symbolic of a extremely long period of time - billions of years.
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If you don’t like the Church’s interpretation, take it up with the Church.
 
buffalo said:
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LeafByNiggle:
The two have nothing to do with each other. Evolution is about the physical while the DOI is about the moral. There is nothing to reconcile.
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When a atheist evo looks at a human they think they are physically the same?
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What do they think are physically the same? The DOI and evolution? One is a document. The other is a scientific theory. It does not make sense to compare two such things “physically.”
 
It is rather fascinating to contemplate on that period on the eve of the recorded creation, that is before ‘day’ and ‘night’ were created when current recording of time began.
 
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