Why you should think that the Natural-Evolution of species is true

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Gorgias said:
And the only place we differ in opinion is how God created “the unity of the person.” I agree that this did happen with our first truly human parents; I just disagree that their physical bodies were created directly.
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Yet Humani Generis says no polygenism.
 
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who argues that between “In the beginning” and “God created the heavens and the earth” - is symbolic of an extremely long period of time - to wit: billions of years - and I will show you a … Glarkian omniscient!
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I don’t recall arguing such a thing. There may be a gap, or there may not. If scientist are correct when they claim the earth is billions of years old, then there must be a gap. No symbolism involved, btw.

Incidentally, when was Lucifer (ie, before he rebelled, fell, and became known as Satan) in Eden? “Thus says the Lord GOD: You were the signet of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God” - Ezekiel 28:11.
 
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Gorgias said:
And hence the popes’ invitations to study. It’s a theory we’re working with, here…
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Sure, and the continued study has made a clear delineation of micro vs macro.

We have adaptation (aka micro-evolution) and macro. The macro will not stand the test of time and the Church is right again.
 
buffalo said:
If I remember, it is translated as day several hundred times in the Bible,
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It is. It is also translated in other ways in other contexts, to mean “year” or “age” or “epoch.”
Glark said:
It is allegorical for a short time
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So, hold on: you’ve moved from “strictly literalistic” to “allegorical”? And now, you want to tell us that your interpretation of the allegory is the only proper one, and others are heretical?

Oh… now I understand who you are: you just want to cast the Bible in your own image and tell the rest of us that we’re all wrong. Kind of a latter day Luther. Got it. :roll_eyes:
Glark said:
“Thus says the Lord GOD: You were the signet of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God” - Ezekiel 28:11.

Lucifer was in Eden before the Fall of the angels and the creation of man?
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He’s talking to the king of Tyre.
Glark said:
Not so. The “one day is a thousand years” thing simply means God is outside time. It isn’t meant to be taken literally, like a mathematical formula.
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Again: you get to be the authoritative interpretative source, and we must kowtow to your interpretations? Umm… right. :roll_eyes:
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Glark said:
I don’t recall arguing such a thing.
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I’m not in the least surprised. What precisely does this mean, then:
“For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them” doesn’t refer to the universe and planet earth, but the six days of creation, which occured after the creation of the planet earth."?

All I can see, regarding the Earth, is:
“For in six days the Lord made the earth” doesn’t refer to the earth, but the six days of creation, which occured after the creation of the earth."
Glark said:
Incidentally, when was Lucifer (ie, before he rebelled, fell, and became known as Satan) in Eden?
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I’ve no idea. What does Glarkian theology say?
 
Gorgias said:
He’s talking to the king of Tyre.
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How could the king of Tyre have been “in Eden, the garden of God”?

How could the king of Tyre have been “an anointed guardian cherub”?

How could the king of Tyre have been on “the holy mountain of God”?
 
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Hugh_Farey said:
What precisely does this mean, then: “For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them” doesn’t refer to the universe and planet earth, but the six days of creation, which occured after the creation of the planet earth."?
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Here is the first clue to understanding this verse: The sea is mentioned, as well as the earth. But the sea is part of the earth, so why mention both? That seems to be a tautology that makes no sense. The answer lies in Genesis 1, where the earth’s atmosphere is called “heaven” (v.8), the dry land is called “earth” (v. 10) and the oceans are called “the seas” (v.10).

All these things mentioned in Exodus 20:11 were created after v.3, the beginning of the six days of creation, marked by the first “And God said …” (each of the creation days begins with the same words, “And God said …”). The only place Genesis 1 says the planet earth was created is in v. 1 - before the first of the six days of creation.
 
Hugh_Farey said:
What does Glarkian theology say?
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There is a school of thought that says the angels (and lower creatures) existed on earth (“Eden”) before humans. Many of the angels rebelled against God and fell from grace, causing a catasphopy on earth that resulted in the destruction of that original creation. I accept this scenario as a possibility, without insisting it is true.
 
Gorgias said:
So, hold on: you’ve moved from “strictly literalistic” to “allegorical”?
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I personally believe that a “day” in Genesis 1 is literally 24 hours, but I may be wrong. But whatever the length of a creation “day” really was, I’m sure it was a short period of time, not a long period of time - and certainly not billions of years.
Kind of a latter day Luther.
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Er, no. Luther was a heretic who opposed Catholic dogmas and doctrines. I have not opposed any Catholic dogmas or doctrines, and never will.
 
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Hugh_Farey said:
Once you start wandering off into your own Glarkian interpretation, you have nothing but your own personal exegesis to support you, and I don’t think you know anything about it. I realise that as a Glarkian, actual knowledge of scripture is considered trivial compared to the imagination of its Pope, Glarkius the Inimitable, because Glarkians care nothing for anybody’s interpretations but their own.
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Do you have any idea of the devastating effect your words have on my fragile, egg-shell mind?
 
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Glark said:
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Aloysium:
Quite a lot of the evil we find in the world today is justified by the belief that we are animals, brought forth by the powers of the earth.
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As an atheist once told me, “We’re just grubs.”
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All we are is dust in the wind.
 
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