Why you should think that the Natural-Evolution of species is true

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Techno2000:
So , about every 1000 years it’s nose would move backwards about 1/4 inch.
Your understanding of evolution is faulty. I suggest that you learn more about the subject to resolve the problem.

rossum
So, please enlighten me on how the nostrils moved from the front of the snout to the top of the head.
 
So, please enlighten me on how the nostrils moved from the front of the snout to the top of the head.
Even today the shape and size of the beaks of many birds is changing due to different feeding habits, e.g. in the UK the constant feeding of wild birds by people is changing the beaks so evolution doesn’t have to take a long time.
In the case of whales I assume it did take a long time.
 
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Techno2000:
So, please enlighten me on how the nostrils moved from the front of the snout to the top of the head.
Even today the shape and size of the beaks of many birds is changing due to different feeding habits, e.g. in the UK the constant feeding of wild birds by people is changing the beaks so evolution doesn’t have to take a long time.
In the case of whales I assume it did take a long time.
And at the same time, in every hospital in the world, unseen organisms are adapting, evolving and growing resistant to antibiotics.
The process of evolution is a settled matter for anyone with eyes and an open mind.
And this science does not contradict the Christian faith in any way.
And as long as erroneous theological conclusions are not reached based on naked science, the Catholic Church embraces this field of discovery.

End of story. Settled matter. Magisterial statements. Period.
 
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Unseen organisms prove nothing. Using Horizontal Gene Transfer to exchange genetic fragments between different species of bacteria means what’s put together remains bacteria. This is an automatic built-in ability. Too bad humans can’t do something similar. It is a clear example of design.
 
And at the same time, in every hospital in the world, unseen organisms are adapting, evolving and growing resistant to antibiotics.
You obviously didn’t read all my bacteria posts. Or you outright ignored them.
 
The evolution of species is self evident to any sane and observant person who can absorb common sense scientific evidence.
The process of evolution is a settled matter for anyone with eyes and an open mind.
Wow… Talk about condescending and rude.
End of story. Settled matter. Magisterial statements. Period.
Nobody is obligated to believe in Evolution. It’s a Theory, not Dogma.
 
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:raising_hand_man:t2: Also, just because a bacteria becomes resistant to antibiotics doesn’t make it a new species. Furthermore, Resistance does not equal Immunity.
 
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Well,… you see… It went like…

I’ll get back to you on that. 😐
 
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HarryStotle:
… It is difficult to see…
I highlight these words because these words, or words to the same effect, are at the heart of every anti-evolution arguement I have ever seen…

I posit that all such arguements are unscientific. More than that, they are not logical. This is not to say that the person making the argument is any less knowledgeable than others in the field. It is an illogical arguement even if no one sees or knows the missing data.
Huh?

I don’t remember presenting an arguement 🙃, much less an illogical one.

The question I posed had to do with whether the conditions for abiogenesis could be radically different from the conditions conducive to prolonging or replicating life.

If we currently have conditions that favour propagation could you explain why those same conditions couldn’t also favour abiogenesis? Just askin’. 🤐

Again, I am not making an argument, I am raising a possible issue. Rather than dismiss it outright, why not try to discuss it? I didn’t realize scientific theories required the same kind of protective mothering to guard them against critique that baby birds need while hatching and fledging.

It is difficult to see why they would. 😏

If I were prone to follow your lead – which I am not – I could make a statement about those who argue on behalf of evolution who seem to have a nasty way of dismissing anyone who even questions what evolution would involve in order to understand it better. I mean even assuming anyone who doesn’t get it is a dunderhead or lacking common sense.

Is it really an “illogical argument” to pose a question?

Or is it an illogical argument to turn the proposal of a question into an “illogical argument,” as you have none? 🤔

I suppose your strategy is a step up from accusing anyone who even so much as questions the THEORY of evolution of insanity or lacking common sense.
The evolution of species is self evident to any sane and observant person who can absorb common sense scientific evidence.
I suppose gravity is “self-evident to any sane and observant person who can absorb common sense scientific evidence,” but are the theories surrounding gravity, that try to explain how it works, also as “self-evident” to anyone who is not insane?

Same thing with evolution. Yup, species change and evolve – that is evident and common sensical. The how and why they evolve, is quite a different matter, no? Especially, the question of how life began.

Again, Leaf, I is just askin’ questions not trying to have an arguement. 🤓
 
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Techno2000:
So , about every 1000 years it’s nose would move backwards about 1/4 inch.
Your understanding of evolution is faulty. I suggest that you learn more about the subject to resolve the problem.

rossum
So, please enlighten me on how the nostrils moved from the front of the snout to the top of the head.
The same way that the eyes of a flounder migrate from two sides of its head to one side as it grows from larval to juvenile stage.


If eyes can do it, so can nostrils!

It’s a well known fact of nature – the magic of metamorphosis – i.e., evolution in fast motion. What can take days or weeks or months surely can take millions of years.

The question of how, however, remains just a bit of a mystery – just like evolution.

Yup, we sees it happenin in fronts of our eyes but we jus don’t know how. Jus don’t ask questions – they’s bad arguements. Hungh. 😜
 
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Techno2000:
So , about every 1000 years it’s nose would move backwards about 1/4 inch.
Your understanding of evolution is faulty. I suggest that you learn more about the subject to resolve the problem.

rossum
So, please enlighten me on how the nostrils moved from the front of the snout to the top of the head.
The same way that the eyes of a flounder migrate from two sides of its head to one side as it grows from larval to juvenile stage.


If eyes can do it, so can nostrils!

It’s a well known fact of nature – the magic of metamorphosis – i.e., evolution in fast motion. What can take days or weeks or months surely can take millions of years.

The question of how, however, remains just a bit of a mystery – just like evolution.

Yup, we sees it happenin in fronts of our eyes but we jus don’t know how. Jus don’t ask questions – they’s bad arguements. Hungh. 😜
Right, flounders,frogs,butterflies takes weeks…but other things take millions of years. 🤔
 
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I’m a bit old to think cartoons are real there are no fossil records showing transition no matter how much you wish it to be true it is fantasy makey uppy rubbish for gullible children to believe in.
I mean a fish leaves the ocean and turns into a cow and decides to go back into the ocean and become a 100 foot whale, and you believe this because someone found an eye lash and said this is what happened?
I thank you father for hiding these things from the learned thats a Jesus quote.
And the so called Cambrian explosion where it is taught all things came into existence at the same time doesn’t bother you?

“Species have evolved in abundance since the spontaneous development of the first living thing from non-living material, as demonstrated in abundance by the fossil record.”
Just one example would suffice and make it watertight because i will use it to call you out.
and just how did living matter come from non living matter?
Do you know which came first the protein or the DNA that makes it?

you would be more persuasive if you concentrated more on demonstrating the truth of your beliefs (if that is possible), rather than inventing mischaracterisations of those who disagree with you.

Heres a little of my faith teaching, In the beginning God created all things visible and invisible each to it’s own species he created them and that is what the record shows an explosion of life or am i to believe the flower did not need it’s pollinators or that mammals can walk into the sea and change into whales and dolphins or that the records show that man lived millions of years ago as an ape even though I just presented above the real facts that there is not one shred of proof but there is deliberate fraud etc etc etc etc there you have a little sample of truth so when your finished condescending others you might realise that your time in brain washing institutions were nothing short of deliberate fraud you may well come looking for the truth and you will find it in the bible where it tells us how when and where we all came about .
 
The question I posed had to do with whether the conditions for abiogenesis could be radically different from the conditions conducive to prolonging or replicating life.
You did, and I suggested that the composition of the atmosphere was a significant factor.
If we currently have conditions that favour propagation could you explain why those same conditions couldn’t also favour abiogenesis? Just askin’.
Indeed. The conditions that life has evolved to tolerate are very different from the conditions in which it originally appeared. However, it is not impossible that in some parts of the world, conditions similar to those still occur, nor that life in its earliest form is not still being formed.
Is it really an “illogical argument” to pose a question?
Yes it is, if the question is part of an argument. If, as you say, your inquiry of me was merely a search for information, then it wasn’t an argument at all, logical or not. I hope I answered it appropriately. However, I understand leafbyniggle’s confusion. You did not, in fact, ask a question. You began with: "“The conditions were only perfect the first time and at no time since, which is odd because the conditions at the time were not very hospitable for life, but have been much better since.” This is not an innocent question but a direct statement of a view contrary to general scientific acceptance. It sounds like the beginning of an argument. It was followed by: “So you’d think life ought to be spontaneously arising much more frequently when the conditions are more hospitable than when they are not, but that doesn’t appear to be the case.” This is fairly conventional persuasion (You’d think… it doesn’t appear… ), and you follow it with an attempt to express an opposing point of view, and only then, "it is difficult to see… ". In many circumstances, your post could well be understood as an argument, of sorts, so I think leafbyniggle’s interpretation should be forgiven.
 
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I’m a bit old to think cartoons are real there are no fossil records showing transition no matter how much you wish it to be true it is fantasy makey uppy rubbish for gullible children to believe in.
I’m so sorry that your English is so unintelligible to me as to make it difficult to respond. My fault, I dare say. Perhaps if I was younger it would make more sense. The video you reference is easier to understand, and simply incorrect in almost everything it says. Anybody can stand up and make a series of statements, but they do not become true merely by being made. No evolutionist video would ever do such a thing. Evolution does not consist of a series of statements; it consists of the presentation of observations, from which conclusions are clearly drawn. Some people do not accept the conclusions, which is fair enough, but their counterarguments should consist of explanations why they think the conclusions are unjustified, not simply bald announcements of disagreement.

Your last paragraph begins honestly (“Heres a little of my faith teaching, In the beginning God created all things visible and invisible each to it’s own species he created them”), and if I were you I should stick to that without wandering into the realms of science. Your faith is admirable, but your science is execrable.

This kind of thing: “am i to believe the flower did not need it’s pollinators or that mammals can walk into the sea and change into whales and dolphins or that the records show that man lived millions of years ago as an ape”. seems to show that you do not understand evolution at all, so it would be wrong of me to engage you in a discussion about it. But I wish you well in your faith.
 
The video you reference is easier to understand, and simply incorrect in almost everything it says.
Yet again another statement of your denial of the real world

I can ignore the condescension again
NONE do you see this word NONE of these so called early men are real not one they are frauds and provable frauds.
 
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I’m so sorry that your English is so unintelligible to me as to make it difficult to respond.
not simply bald announcements of disagreement.
Both your statements
This is very ironic isn’t it?
and another thing i noticed in your statement
it consists of the presentation of observations
Really? you have observable proof of evolution?
Can you not see that you live in the realm of fantasy?
when your ready I will be happy to teach you the truth and the way and the life
 
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