So what is the position of the Catholic Church for a practicing Catholic to be baptized into another religion, of which it doesn’t even believe that it has a real baptism? Why not ask on “Ask an Apologist” if you want an answer based on actual Church teaching.
Oh LOL. the LDS Church claims that all other churches are in apostasy and that no other church has priesthood authority. Yes, Catholics and our Church do have a problem with that…misinformation.
I am sure that if one goes to latin america one would find former catholic mormons still dabbling in catholicism. It is in their culture. And I am sure that many would not say a hateful word against the catholic church.
But she also chirped in that the mormons are not christian. Now this nun is a friend of mine but she wanted to get my gander up. I again told her that mormons were christian. I have a nice relationship with this nun.
Get over it. All churches have a problem with one another. What do you think the luthern church thinks of the catholic church? And if you go back a few hundred years they thought much worse. You have said that the mormon church is heretical. Now you must know that if mormons came on the scene in 1547 in Europe, the ‘mormons’ would have been killed by catholics for being heretical, Rght?
I was a teenager when I joined the mormons. I am now several decades older. I will let you in on a secret. If penecostal former catholics in latin america wished to return to the catholic faith do you think that the church would give them a hard time? I don’t think so. They would just drift back in. But they would not necessarily begin to curse their former faith and support all the negatives by posters on this board. See my point?so why me abides by the Word of Wisdom, and doesn’t drink coffee, but he doesn’t abide by Catholic Code of Canon Law, which one doesn’t even have to be aware of to know that you can’t be baptized into a religion that denies Catholic apostolic succession and priesthood authority, and thus the power of priests to effect the Real Presence, and remain a faithful Catholic.
Obviously. What is your point here? You keep referring to how Catholics have a “problem” with the LDS Church, crying persecution, when the very foundation of the LDS Church, aka the reason why it exists, is because Christianity fell into apostasy, and thus the ONLY church with priesthood authority is the LDS Church. So I think you should get over claiming that Catholics are being mean and LDS are being nice here, if “all churches have a problem with one another”. Catholics are citing their actual views of the LDS Church, and it seems you have a problem with it, as a…Catholic?
If a Pentecostal wanted to return to the Catholic Faith, they would be received by Confession and maybe a profession of faith renouncing their heretical beliefs. If you wish to leave the LDS Church and give up the heretical beliefs that you have added in addition the Catholic Faith (do you believe that God is consubstantial and that the Father has a body of flesh and bones?), you too would be received by Confession and maybe a profession of faith. Try talking to Catholic reverts from this forum, see if they just “drifted” back in. And you do realize that there are a number of ex-LDS on this forum that say these same things, including exposing what we see as the heretical beliefs of Mormonism? You do talk to Rebecca and Paul, among others, right?
You are free to have an opinion, but you are not in a position to declare someone a heretic, or not a heretic. It is up to the Catholic Church to do that; and I would rather leave that decision to them than you.
The Catholic Church is quite clear on him:
From the Code of Canon Law of the Catholic Church:
Can. 1364 §1. Without prejudice to the prescript of ⇒ can. 194, §1, n. 2, an apostate from the faith, a heretic, or a schismatic incurs a latae sententiae excommunication; in addition, a cleric can be punished with the penalties mentioned in ⇒ can. 1336, §1, nn. 1, 2, and 3.
Yes, the Church is clear on him.
Did you not read the Code of Canon Law? It clearly says that he is in heresy and is excommunicated latae sententiae, which means automatically. The Catholic Church clearly says that what he is doing is heresy. I am upholding that belief and pointing it out.
I too can see the celibacy rule having such an effect, especially since that is the life the Church calls homosexuals to.
That still remains academic. You neither have the ecclesiastical authority to excommunicate him, nor to declare him a heretic. Only the Catholic Church does; and I would rather leave that decision up to them than you.
What do you mean by academic? Is it ok to break the rules of the LDS Church and still claim to be a faithful LDS? Can you not practice the Word of Wisdom, not believe that JS is a true prophet, not believe the Book of Mormon, and still receive a temple recommend?
As in Mothra worship ?
The “Christian Identity” movement, for example, included many aspects of Mormonism. It is going to be interesting. Many, disillusioned with the fragility of
“new religions”, will migrate to mainstream religions. Others are embracing atheism and agnosticism, at least for a while.
There is an interesting thread over at exmormon.org right now, that discusses the “evolution of religion”, proposing an emphasis on ethical behavior rather than “out there” beliefs. Oh!! How new!!
If Starbuck’s is named after a character in “Battlestar Galactica”, does that make Starbuck’s a house of worship ?The beauty of it is that if someone was guilty of all of that, I am not the one who would have to judge him. In fact it has nothing to do with me at all! His bishop is the one who will have to judge him, and I am happy to leave it up to him to do that.
I think I do get what you are saying, but I don’t think you understand what I am saying, or even the laws of your own church. The Canon Law lays down the rule, but it does not make the decision. The actual decision would still have to be made by someone else. I did a Google search, and found an interesting site called “How to Get Excommunicated from the Catholic Church”. It is an article that advises ex-Catholics turned atheist how to get themselves excommunicated from the Catholic Church! It gives the following advice on the kind of letter that needs to be written to a Catholic bishop to get yourself exed:
The beauty of it is that if someone was guilty of all of that, I am not the one who would have to judge him. In fact it has nothing to do with me at all! His bishop is the one who will have to judge him, and I am happy to leave it up to him to do that.
I think I do get what you are saying, but I don’t think you understand what I am saying, or even the laws of your own church. The Canon Law lays down the rule, but it does not make the decision. The actual decision would still have to be made by someone else. I did a Google search, and found an interesting site called “How to Get Excommunicated from the Catholic Church”. It is an article that advises ex-Catholics turned atheist how to get themselves excommunicated from the Catholic Church! It gives the following advice on the kind of letter that needs to be written to a Catholic bishop to get yourself exed:
If you want to be excommunicated, you have to go through official channels. Your local priest can’t help you; instead, you must write a letter to your bishop.
*]Tell him where and when you were baptized (they won’t excommunicate non-Catholics).
*]Tell him of your apostasy; you must describe both an intention of apostasy and an outward manifestation. Apostasy doesn’t count if you didn’t intend it or if it didn’t amount to anything.
*]Explain that you know this means excommunication—ignorance of the penalty would get you off.
*]State that you do not consider yourself a Catholic anymore and want your name taken off the official rolls of Catholics.
If you don’t hear back after a little bit, send the letter again—but this time registered mail with a note that this is your second attempt. If you persist, you should be successful. Source.
What I gather from that is that, among other things, intent must be proved, as well as the person declaring himself to be no longer Catholic. Why Me would fail on both those accounts, therefore he couldn’t be exed!
