Wicca-the fastest growing religion in Canada!!

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wolpertinger:
I have written a reply to this, but I’m conflicted about whether or not I should post it. The gist of it is that parts of the Catholic Church are perhaps a bit overprotective of their flock. Should a parent keep a child apart from every conceivable harm or is it better to carefully expose children to some danger, in the hope that they will learn from experience?
I am conflicted over these questions every time I have to make a decision about what I allow my children to do. One of my jobs as parent is to turn them into mature adults and you don’t get there without some mistakes. We just hit the driver’s learner permit stage and is it scarry!! When does reasonable restraint become overprotectiveness - that’s a hard one to answer for my own children and even tougher on a Church level.

Kris
 
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kwitz:
I am conflicted over these questions every time I have to make a decision about what I allow my children to do. One of my jobs as parent is to turn them into mature adults and you don’t get there without some mistakes. We just hit the driver’s learner permit stage and is it scarry!! When does reasonable restraint become overprotectiveness - that’s a hard one to answer for my own children and even tougher on a Church level.

Kris
We are all conflicted to some extent. Some things, though, are incapable of further determination. Witchcraft, necromancy, divination, false spirituality, magic (not sleight of hand, but the real thing) are strictly verboten, and with good reason. Nothing good can come out of familiarity with such things, and the temptation to seek to do good with the wrong tools can overwhelm.
 
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kwitz:
I am conflicted over these questions every time I have to make a decision about what I allow my children to do. One of my jobs as parent is to turn them into mature adults and you don’t get there without some mistakes. We just hit the driver’s learner permit stage and is it scarry!! When does reasonable restraint become overprotectiveness - that’s a hard one to answer for my own children and even tougher on a Church level.

Kris
Ah, the joys of parenting. My older daughter is almost five and the younger is due to be born in exactly seven days… I don’t look forward to them driving under the influence of raging hormones on top of their inexperience. It’s too bad that perfect hindsight is not a gift bestowed on parents.
 
So true Barrister. There are definite absolute, non-negotioables in our house. For instance, I will never allow my children to drink alcohol (with my permission - only a stupid parent says their children will never drink). There is little, if any good that can come out of it. I understand the absolutes of witchcraft, etc. It’s as we head down into the slippery, gray area that it becomes harder to parent. Example - when is it appropriate to allow my children to see PG-13 movies? No absolutes here and that’s what makes the job tough!! It is no doubt why prayer is the most important parenting skill.

Kris
 
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wolpertinger:
Ah, the joys of parenting. My older daughter is almost five and the younger is due to be born in exactly seven days… I don’t look forward to them driving under the influence of raging hormones on top of their inexperience. It’s too bad that perfect hindsight is not a gift bestowed on parents.
Don’t blink - it’ll be here before you know it. I swear my daughter was starting kindergarten a month ago!!!

Kris
 
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kwitz:
So true Barrister. There are definite absolute, non-negotioables in our house. For instance, I will never allow my children to drink alcohol (with my permission - only a stupid parent says their children will never drink). There is little, if any good that can come out of it. I understand the absolutes of witchcraft, etc. It’s as we head down into the slippery, gray area that it becomes harder to parent. Example - when is it appropriate to allow my children to see PG-13 movies? No absolutes here and that’s what makes the job tough!! It is no doubt why prayer is the most important parenting skill.

Kris
You have to teach them at a young age, and be firm. Being wishy-washy make them think they have a chance, and that’s unfair to them.

Good rule of thumb in our house on movies (daughter 13, sons 11, 6, 4): G movies are generally permitted; PG if the subject matter is appropriate; PG-13 only after we have seen the movie and approve; R - never.

I also agree that permitting underage drinking sends the wrong message. Ditto for smoking.

And parents who supply their kids with contraceptives? What message does that send? For 100% effective birth control, teach your children good morals. If that fails, then give your daughter an aspirin and tell her to hold it between her knees… 😃
 
Failure rates for condoms are misleading. If a condom is going to fail, it will fail when a woman is fertile. A woman is only fertile so many days. It is around 85%.

A lot of gynocologists, confuse NFP with the rhythym method. A woman can not ovulate like magic. The body prepares itself for ovulation, and shows very clear signs when it has ovulated. Lots of gynocologists believe in the identification of cevical mucus, tempature taking, and cerival position as a way to tell if a woman is in her fertile. Many gynocologists say there are no safe days, because the get paid off by the birth control companies.

You’re still not a Wiccan, even if you call youself one. What you think, is that you are a god. People fit into two catagories, they believe in a supranatural belief or the believe they are supranatural. You believe anything you say, because you say it. Wicca isn’t based on the belief everyone is right in their own make believe little world. There is one truth, I understand it to be Catholicism. I have friends who understand it in Pre-Christian belief. We get along well.

Still I’m glad you are here Heathen.
 
The Barrister:
And parents who supply their kids with contraceptives? What message does that send? For 100% effective birth control, teach your children good morals. If that fails, then give your daughter an aspirin and tell her to hold it between her knees… 😃
I’ve always said that when we give kids a message with a “but” they hear neither the first part nor second.
Examples: don’t drink but if you do, no driving
don’t have sex, but if you do, be “safe”
They tend to use the 'but" in here as permission and then ignore the second warning also.

Of course, I have a whole list of absolutes for my children but they’re always qualified with “my children will never X, Y or Z - with my permission”. I’ve taught highschool for too long to know that kids will make stupid choices but I’m not going to make it easy on them to make them. One of my all time favorites - parents who make prom hotel reservations!! Fortunately, it seems to be a trend slowing down here.

Kris
 
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renee1258:
You’re still not a Wiccan, even if you call youself one.
And you’re not Catholic.
What you think, is that you are a god.
What?! Certainly not! I believe in the absolute and unbreakable distinction between humanity and Deity! Humans are not Gods, nor can they ever become ones.
People fit into two catagories, they believe in a supranatural belief or the believe they are supranatural.
You forgot the atheists, who don’t believe in anything supernatural. And I don’t believe I’m supernatural.
Still I’m glad you are here Heathen.
Thanks.
 
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Faustina:
I hate to tell you this, but no, Wicca is not a teenage girl fad. I was in my late twenties into my mid thirties when I was involved with Wicca.
Sid
it is a teenage girl fad…some people just experience it when they are in their 20s and 30s…I guess everyone matures at their own rate.:rolleyes: .
 
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WhiteDove:
Wicca is a teenage girl fad, that’s for sure … Also, no moral demands to these things. They usually tolerate lots of free and easy sex.
yes, it’s a fad primarily for girls, but what you ask about the “men” wiccans…the male witches…well, Governor Schwartzenagger of California could properly identify them for you…😃
 
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ysicmg:
what “IS” wicca? when i hear the name, I think witches, but i have been told that it is not that at all - I am would like a link or something that could explain it (perhaps from a Catholic perspective) - My nephew is engaged to a girl whose father was in wicca and it makes me very uneasy.
wicca is a spirituality based religion. we do not worship anything but rather use magick and ritual to gain better relationships with the goddess and god. (the feminine and masculine energies of the earth)we use meditation and spellwork as our prayers to mother earth and father sky. when you say you here the word wicca and think of witches you are wrong…and right but we are not the long nosed, green faced, flying in on broomstick, casting evil spells, and cackling at the top of our lungs witches. we are the nature loving, people loving people who seek to gain a better relationship with the earth and ourselves. we use spells and ritual to give thanks and to ask for help in day to day life. we use them to change and dare i say manipulate (in a good way) our lives and others lives, in our/their favour. (never before asking some people are weirded out if you want to do a healing spell on them and thats ok) we do not belive there is one being controlling our lives like a god…or satan. we do not practice evil magick we believe in the rule of three. one phrase in our wiccan rede is “an harm ye none, do as ye will.” much like “do unto other as you would have done unto you” (i was raised catholic) if you have any other questions please feel free to email me! - victoria
 
The Barrister:
It is becoming quite popular now due to a spate of witch shows, most of them directed at children. Invariably, witches and witchcraft are displayed as good, and even if a spell occasionally goes wrong that’s the fault of the spellcaster and not the spell or the intentions of the spellcaster. But the only one controlling the action is Satan.

First, there is no such thing as a “good spell” or “white” magick from a Catholic standpoint. The Church teaches that magick, whether intended to be used for good or evil, is always intrinsically evil. The evil that enters this world thanks to “good” magick and otherwise innocent kids mucking around with this stuff is consequential, to them and to others.

Not a criticism directed at you, but it’s best to leave out links to sites that portray and advance the cause of witchcraft and paganisim. Any website with the word “tolerance” in the title probably ought to be avoided.
Hate to tell you this, but Wicca is evil and is anti-Chistian in the extreme. It promotes belief in multiple “gods and goddesses,” at best it is pantheistic, it promotes homosexuality and bisexuality, promotes ritualist sex, and promotes the use of the occult, and so forth. I would be hard-pressed to find a more anti-Catholic set of practices.

You state that you are now Christian, but you seem to be defending witchcraft rather than condemning it, and that it’s somehow a good thing you went through it or you would not have found the Catholic Church.

I suggest that you discuss this with your priest and/or seek a good Catholic spiritual advisor for the good of your soul.
the only one promoting hate and discrimination here is you my friend. i do not know of what you people speak of when you say ritualistic sex…all sex is ritualistic! it is to continue the chain of life…something we’ve been doing since the dawn of time this is ritual. and may i remind you. magick and ritual has been around much much much longer than any christian religion. and all sorts of magick is used in the catholic religion as well just differently…how does a priest make the bread the christs body and the wine his blood. unseen forces…right? right. case closed. if there were less close minded narrow minded people like you this world would be just as barbaric as the days you jesus christ was murdered. is this what we are looking for again?!
 
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tractarian:
I applauded everything in The Barrister’s post until here:
The Barrister seems to have confused *non-*Catholic and *anti-*Catholic. All of those practices are non-Catholic, to be sure. But practicing them is not a definite indicator of whether a person is anti-Catholic. A person has to do or say something against Catholicism in order to be anti-Catholic.
Faustina probably is defending Wiccans—up to a point. She (like i did in my prev. post as well) was spreading information about them that is helpful for understanding them. It does no good to spread falsehood about Wicca like The Barrister, sadly, has. If we believe them to be something they are not, then we are only arguing against figments of our own imagination! As well as being a complete waste of time, that would be “anti-Wiccan” as opposed to treating Wiccans like real people in need of conversion and God’s love. We don’t put up with people who insist that Catholics worship statues or repeat the sacrifice of the Cross, we correct them with truth. The Wiccans, NeoPagans, etc. deserve the same respect we desire for ourselves, otherwise how will we be worthy of their attention? We Catholics have an awesome responsibility because we have the fulness of truth. We should promote truth in all situations, including when we deal with false religions.
i post again! although you are insisting we need conversion and the “truth” you are the most respectful catholic i have heard (or read) speak…(or type)…anyway. you are so very right on one thing! catholics need not fear we are anti-christian i am very pro faith…of any sort as long as you are not hurting anyone…(satanism and such) but i believe rather than seeing us as charity cases that need to be shown the one true faith…we should just be respected as taking a different approach to faith and religion and left at that. thank you.
 
Dear Friends in Christ:
The reason I began this thread was to ask all to pray, for Canada…But as Wicca is a world-wide fad…I now ask for prayer for all Wiccans…
Lord Jesus, I lift up to you all who follow wicca…Lord you know that they have been deceived and you know who has deceived them. I beg you Lord to shine Your light on them…
Lord, you have said “ask, and it shall be given” I ask and beg you to touch the heart of these people…Lord they are lost sheep…They need You, to come into their hearts. Lord, whatever it takes…please allow these children of Yours to experience the Love you have for each of them.
Today is the day in which we live…for tommorrow may not come for some of us…Please look deep into your hearts…are you positive their is no God, no Jesus Christ?? Please search for him…If you ask Him…He will respond …
Tommorrow may be too late…Have you ever thought of what will happen to you if you die today, believing in this stuff???

Jesus, you are soo merciful…these children of Yours…need you, just as we do…So on bended knee, I ask You to send Your Holy Spirit to each one of Your children who are being deceived…
Heavenly Mother, I ask you to put your motherly mantle over these special children of Your Son…and protect them from the Evil One…And I ask you to pray to Your Son for these lost sheep…

Jeanette
Thank you Jesus, for listening to our prayers…Thank you Jesus for loving us, even though we hurt you, daily…Thank you Jesus for dying for us…Thank you Jesus, for giving us Our Blessed Mother…Amen.
 
I like to clarify some information about the Wicca, Witchcraft and pagan religion. I came across this forum while I was searching for Wicca forum and started to read the post about Wicca being the fastest growing in Canada. I couldn’t believe some of the stuff people were writing, and how uneducated they are about other religions.

Before I continue I just like to say Everybody has the right to their opinion but what upsets me is when they try to pass their opinion to others as facts so I have some information for you Barries.

Pagan is the oldest religion around. Wicca and Witchcraft are just branches of this religion. It is an earth-based religion, which means we all respect everything earth has to offer and protect it best way we can.

There is such thing as good magick or white magick, We use magick as a way of prey to let the Lord and Lady know what need, we believe at the right time, place and with the right tools we can request our wishes and if the Lord and Lady see fit we shell receive it.

Just Like when you sit there at night prey for God to keep your children safe or when you prey for someone who is ill.

We are well-educated people, we are kind caring people whom what the same things in life like the rest of you.
  • We are not Satanist and we don’t believe in Satan because Satan is based on Bible
And just to let you know Catholics, Christians have things in common with Pagans and Wicca, Starting with Christmas and Easter
 
I would like to suggest instead of preying for us, You might prey for yourselves to be more open minded and understanding just because somebody doesn’t agree with you doesn’t mean they are evil or wrong
 
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anahit:
just because somebody doesn’t agree with you doesn’t mean they are evil or wrong
It is not disagreement with any individual that makes someone wrong, it is in contradicting the truth.

We Catholics believe in an absolute God and an absolute truth. To the extent that anyone one is in harmony with God and the truth that He is, that person is right. To the extent that you are in contradiction to God, you are wrong.

The challenge is in understanding God. Since He is trancendant and beyond our understanding, we must look only to how God has revealed Himself.

Thus we recognized the wisdom of the world to be folly in comparison to the wisdom of God. I do not care how old paganism is. For me to be open to paganism, you would have to show how God has revealed this to be the truth in which He wishes His people to live.

We will continue to pray for all who are searching for God and who have forsaken the search (that’s everybody, BTW).

It’s what we do.
 
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anahit:
I like to clarify some information about the Wicca, Witchcraft and pagan religion. I came across this forum while I was searching for Wicca forum and started to read the post about Wicca being the fastest growing in Canada. I couldn’t believe some of the stuff people were writing, and how uneducated they are about other religions.
I was a practicing Wiccan for 8 years, am I qualified?
Before I continue I just like to say Everybody has the right to their opinion but what upsets me is when they try to pass their opinion to others as facts so I have some information for you Barries.
Not sure what a barry is. You are correct, everyone has a right to their opinion however you do not have a right to your own version of the truth.
1+ 1=2 no matter what your opinion about the matter is. One can feverently believe that 1+1=3 and even die for that belief but it doesn’t make it true. There is objective truth and then there is our understanding of truth, the only thing that changes is our understanding.
Pagan is the oldest religion around. Wicca and Witchcraft are just branches of this religion. It is an earth-based religion, which means we all respect everything earth has to offer and protect it best way we can.
This view has been largely discredited in the last few years. I sympathize I used to think this too - it’s not true. The truth is we have absolutely no idea of the practices of the pre-Christian pagans. Most were illiterate, so there are no records and their practices have been dead for 1500 years.
Wicca was created by Gerald Gardiner, a retired British civil servant, in the 1950s.
And just to let you know Catholics, Christians have things in common with Pagans and Wicca, Starting with Christmas and Easter
Absolutely, the 8 sabbats in the wheel of the year roughly correspond with the Christian calendar but it is incorrect, as some pagans assert, that the sabbats came first.
 
kjvail said:
1+1=2 no matter what your opinion about the matter is. One can feverently believe that 1+1=3 and even die for that belief but it doesn’t make it true. There is objective truth and then there is our understanding of truth, the only thing that changes is our understanding.

Mathematics is indeed the only area where things can be 100% proved to be true. In all other things we have just probabilities.
Absolutely, the 8 sabbats in the wheel of the year roughly correspond with the Christian calendar but it is incorrect, as some pagans assert, that the sabbats came first.
Jesus was most probably born in September; the Early Church Fathers took the date of the Roman Saturnalia festival, the 25th of December (then Winter Solstice), as his birthday, in order to make it easier for pagans to convert to Christianity.

anahit: prey ≠ pray.
 
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