Wife asked to sponsor H.S. Gay-Lesbian-Straight club at school

[KingAlfred]

Oddly enough, I am more against the homosexual agenda than anyone and take the view of public schools as social experimentation labs to be avoided, but I’m actually against school vouchers. That is, any money taken from Caesar will eventually come with strings. So they get us dependent on vouchers and later decide, “Hey! Where’s your comprehensive sex-ed program?(likely put together by a panel including Planned Parenthood members) Implement it now or we’ll pull the plug on your vouchers!”

I’m all for breaking the stranglehold of educational romanticism on public schools, but I’m not so sure vouchers are the way to do it.

See: The age of educational romanticism: On requiring every child to be above average

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Public schools are perilous because of the crazy nature of American society today. Charter schools are under-regulated, and can commonly turn out lousy education. I’ve taught in both environments. Most people can’t afford private school. Like the military, our educational system is a reflection of our greater society. In the same huge classroom, you’ll have students destined to become brain surgeons, while others are destined for prison or an early grave. What a mix.

 

[whatevergirl]

Public schools are perilous because of the crazy nature of American society today. Charter schools are under-regulated, and can commonly turn out lousy education. I’ve taught in both environments. Most people can’t afford private school. Like the military, our educational system is a reflection of our greater society. In the same huge classroom, you’ll have students destined to become brain surgeons, while others are destined for prison or an early grave. What a mix.

Some of that is attributed to parenting…Those schools that show high parental involvement, turn out higher rates of college bound kids. Higher rates of kids graduating with honors, etc…graduating at all, really.

While I think there is a problem with the way schools are funded, lack of parental involvement and interest in a child’s studies…cannot be blamed on the schools. It really makes a large impact on who does well, and continues on to college. I looked at the stats before we moved to Florida of various schools in the area, via online graphs, etc…and those that showed the highest rates of graduating kids, also had a graph next to it showing high parental involvement in the schools.

The school can only do so much if a child goes home and has a parent who is absent, on drugs, is distant, or just plain doesn’t care or support a child’s education.

 

[whatevergirl]

melensdad–what ended up happening?

 

[estesbob]

Or we work to make the current system better so it serves everyone and gives everyone as good an education as it gave my siblings (I attended Catholic high school, but they attend the fabulous local public school)

My children all attended public schools also. The problem is, in my opinion, the NEA and the Teachers Colleges have produced a whole generation of teachers who believes their primary mission is to make our children socially conscious. The problem is is that their opinion of what socially conscious is and mine are very different. I think the government should get out of the education business altogether. No strings attached vouchers to everybody to send their kids to the school of their choice and let the public schools compete with everybody else for our students.

 

[whatevergirl]

My children all attended public schools also. The problem is, in my opinion, the NEA and the Teachers Colleges have produced a whole generation of teachers who believes their primary mission is to make our children socially conscious. The problem is is that their opinion of what socially conscious is and mine are very different. I think the government should get out of the education business altogether. No strings attached vouchers to everybody to send their kids to the school of their choice and let the public schools compete with everybody else for our students.

agreed

 

[HouseArrest]

I would not dicuss sexuality or morality with students, regardless of whether I agreed with them. But I do think it is within my realm of responsibility to direct them to available resources: guidance counselors, administrative staff, school psychologists, and community youth centers, which, at least where I live, offer varied services to LGBT youth.

I’m grabbing this from a few pages back.

If you are going to direct them to available resources that what would there be to do at the club?

 

[Annn]

I’m grabbing this from a few pages back.

If you are going to direct them to available resources that what would there be to do at the club?

The club is an informal peer resource? It’s like directing someone to a high school’s peer counseling center and also to the school psychologist or guidance counselor. It’s good to tell kids about all the available resources.

 

[HouseArrest]

The club is an informal peer resource? It’s like directing someone to a high school’s peer counseling center and also to the school psychologist or guidance counselor. It’s good to tell kids about all the available resources.

I just don’t know how long that takes? When I think of a club I think there is time spent doing activities and such. How long does it take to direct someone to a guidance counselor?

 

[royal_archer]

Move to another country?

Actually my family did. My ancestors moved to America to avoid the types of things they are pushing in the schools today. They also wanted to avoid oppressive governments.

 

[royal_archer]

Some of that is attributed to parenting…Those schools that show high parental involvement, turn out higher rates of college bound kids. Higher rates of kids graduating with honors, etc…graduating at all, really.

While I think there is a problem with the way schools are funded, lack of parental involvement and interest in a child’s studies…cannot be blamed on the schools. It really makes a large impact on who does well, and continues on to college. I looked at the stats before we moved to Florida of various schools in the area, via online graphs, etc…and those that showed the highest rates of graduating kids, also had a graph next to it showing high parental involvement in the schools.

The school can only do so much if a child goes home and has a parent who is absent, on drugs, is distant, or just plain doesn’t care or support a child’s education.

In this whole discussion we seem to forget that each child has different abilities. Many times the students don’t do well simply because they are not accademically inclined. Some feel this is a genetic trait which is why some children wh do not do well who have parrents who do not have much of an interest in education. But the schools have to deal with students of all abilities and push them through in 12 years regardless of ability. In doing so they have had to constantly lower standards. Where as in the past students were more woried about studying and passing tests, they now have excess mental capacity to wory about things that have nothing to do with knowledge of core accademic subjects.