Wife obese and snoring, unrepentant

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People are eating more and exercising less because they are obese. They are not obese because they are eating more and exercising less.
Whoah there… please support this assertion. Even the CDC cites changes in eating and exercise habits as a cause of obesity, not the other way around.
We have to change the way we eat and then the calories and exercise will fall into place.
Huh? 1) caloric intake is a part of the way we eat… and 2) although you should consult your doctor before beginning an exercise regimen, can you explain why most Americans can’t take walks?
 
One quick comment and then I’m done for the day.

People are eating more and exercising less because they are obese. They are not obese because they are eating more and exercising less.

We have to change the way we eat and then the calories and exercise will fall into place.
No, this isn’t true.

People are not born obese, although there is a lot of evidence (but no proof yet) for a genetic tendency toward obesity.

People become obese because their caloric retention is greater than their caloric use. There are many reasons for this condition.

One reason is undoubtedly that the obese patient eats a lot more than they need. The question then becomes, “Why?”

In some cases, such as in Prader-Willi syndrome, something is wrong with the brain, and the patient continually receives a message of “hunger” which drives them eat without restraint.

In some cases, the patient is driven to eat because of a psychological need. Food is a good substitute for many things, including human company and sympathy. Many people eat because they are lonely, bored, scared, nervous, in physical pain due to an injury or illness, sad, angry, etc.

In some cases, the patient eats because they were able to eat as much as they wanted when they were younger and very active in sports or other activities, but as they got older, they never adjusted their food intake to fit their older, more sedentary self. That was my problem!

These are just a few explanations as to why people eat more than they need.

At any rate, obesity is a condition with a cause. Obesity is not the cause of obesity.
 
Your are right of course. Our bodies are different. 🙂

But be just please—I didnt say "“If I can do it,then you have no excuse for yourself”----Those are your words, not mine. 🙂

What I was saying that if I found a way to do it with with a serious medical condition, then there are ways for other to also achieve weight-loss, even with their medical conditions.

Is it easy? No, not by a long shot. But it is possible.

I think some of the posters here have been very helpful in expanding the educational understanding of what dynamics can go into weight-loss and metabolic disorders. And encouraging and given some ideas of what kind of experts to look to for answers.

What I found most helpful in this thread is the reminder that there are answers and solutions out there for those who struggle with obesity. It’s up to each of us take a look and see what is applicable for our own lives. 👍
I most certainly agree with you that there are answers for those who struggle.

But what makes it so very difficult is that the answer is different for everyone, although the basic answer is the same–we all need to find a way to burn off more calories than we retain.

And it’s so discouraging searching for the illusive Answer to your own particular obesity problem.

You think you found it, you jump on the bandwagon of your discovery, you lose some weight and feel great, only to have the Answer fail during a challenge or crisis and see the weight come back.

Every failure creates more discouragement. Hopelessness sets in, and the obese person is convinced that they will be fat forever.

And with hopelessness comes obstinacy. The obese person resents others telling them that they need to lose weight or offering to help them lose weight. After all, they have tried several dozen or even several hundred “diets” and “exercise programs” over the decades, and nothing works.

I even had a doctor tell me once, when I asked him about weight loss, that there is no answer and that nothing works. How utterly discouraging but at the same time, refreshing to hear a medical professional admit that weight loss is more than just eating less and moving more!

Also keep in mind that the search takes time, and that’s something that most of us do not have in abundance.

I am convinced that one of the reasons why many of us are fat is that we spend a lot of time doing for others (volunteering, attending meetings, getting involved with various groups, etc.), but not enough time doing for ourselves. We’re never home to cook a dinner because we have choir practice or volunteer work at the Rescue Mission or we’re playing piano for a children’s play. So we grab something from the fast food outlet, or we wait until we get home and then send out for late-night pizza.

Lack of time also contributes to the lack of exercise. If a person’s schedule is packed with meetings, volunteer commitments, groups, etc., they will not have time to fit in a workout. They can get up early in the morning, but chances are good that they went to bed late the night before, and lack of sleep is one of the contributors to obesity (my biggest stumbling block to eating healthily is tiredeness–if I am sleepy, I eat junk, lots of it).

If you’ve watched shows like Biggest Loser and Heavy, you will notice that there is one “key” that seems to unlock success for these contestants–they are freed from all their family, work, and social obligations to go to a “place” (the Biggest Loser ranch, a fitness resort, their own home with a live-in personal trainer, etc.) and are able to devote every waking and sleeping moment to the task of losing weight and getting healthy.

I am convinced that this is the “key” that would make weight loss happen for many Americans. We need to be able to step off our treadmills, stop working, give up our community and church involvements, and do NOTHING but cook and eat healthily, and work out.

But most of us can’t do this! So we need to find a “compromise.” I think that one of the first things that many obese people need to do is free themselves of as many encumbrances as possible. This will be very very difficult, if not impossible, for those with small children, or for that matter, with any children. But somehow, the obese person must get rid of all the activities that make it impossible for them to plan meals, shop, cook, and eat those meals. They also have to get rid of activities that keep them up too late and prevent them from working out regularly, usually 6 days a week.

This is all hard stuff! You can see why I said that for most obese people, the best way to tackle their weight is in small steps, a few hundred calories cut out, and few extra minutes of activity in the day. But then the results come soooooo slowly, and it can be very discouraging.

Not an easy issue, and no pat answers.
 
Another factor here…

The OP’s wife is likely menopausal or peri-menopausal. At that point of estrogen loss, it is very easy for women to gain weight and very difficult for us to lose it.

My question for the OP is: Are you or have you been supporting your wife emotionally over the last 10 years? Is there any connection between you two, especially now that you have left the bedroom and have seen a counselor yourself who is suggesting separation?

Here’s my story. This whole year, my husband has been here half the time, half the time out of the country. We’ve had problems even before he started this project. We had to stop marriage counseling because of his travel schedule (the counselor wasn’t really helping so much anyway). I gained 15 lbs. at least during the year. Every 5 lbs. gained means that exercising is more difficult, and I’m not a person who likes to exercise for the sake of it. I have sought solace in food, without really even realizing it. I had some of the elements necessary from childhood - sometimes hungry, food was a reward, a treat, etc.

I am not a binge-eater. That’s even harder to stop. I have a lot of bad habits to break though. Cleaning my plate, taking too much, eating after a meal, snacking, eating sweets, rewarding myself with special foods, eating in the car, while reading, on and on.

I had to WANT to start the process. My husband, like happymommy’s husband, has never said ONE WORD to me about my weight gain. He downplays it if I bring it up.

When I hit 180 (I am almost 5’9") it was time to stop. That’s the heaviest I’ve ever been and I knew I had to change or I’d end up at 200 before I knew it. I knew, too, that it wasn’t just a diet that was going to take the pounds off. It is much more than that. The diet is the mere mechanics of it. The rest is emotional reconstruction of my life. I told a friend, “I am emotionally starving in my marriage, I don’t want to be physically hungry at the same time.” And that is the truth. I did not want to feel the pain of being hungry in two spheres at the same time. It felt like too much deprivation. My visual image is those big-eyed waif paintings from the 1960’s - dressed in rags, big eyes staring, sometimes a tear drop on one cheek.

For an emotional eater, any diet can work and any diet can also fail. It takes more than cutting back on food, it takes an equal compensation in treating yourself well in other areas. Exercise can be treating yourself well, but first you have to lose enough weight so that you don’t end up hurting yourself getting in shape!

And BTW, I have been slender my entire life. God blessed me with an athletic build to the point where, when I was younger, people would ask me “So how many hours do you work out a week” and I would laugh and tell them “ZERO! Pass the butter.” LOL The one and only structured exercise I actually enjoyed was spinning, but that’s a class that gyms run early in the morning and in the evening so that working people can participate, so that stopped about 5 years ago. I’ve been looking for a spin bike so I can do it on my own, but so far nothing has turned up (they are very expensive to buy new).

I think this is a hot button issue for people, but again, we have no idea what kind of husband the OP has been. If his wife feels like I have, that there is no relationship with her husband, spending money and eating can be some kind of compensation. Not a good form, but we’re all weak vessels.
 
Cat,

Great answers!!! You rock.

:hug1:
Completely agree with you here, SurlyMermaid!

Cat has shared very intelligent perspectives.

Very honest, very realistic of what the battle can be like for so many.

It is a fight, a battle, everyday for many. 🙂
 
It is very easy when you are a SAHM and gain a load of weight to get depressed because you’re not 120 lb and your house doesn’t look the way it did before you had kids. You’re never going to get there, so what’s the point?

When my husband, a prince among men, sees that I’m getting down in that manner, he takes me to one of those places with every bra size ever invented, a nice one where the bras are pretty don’t look like they were designed by the Army Corps of Engineers, and has me pick out a couple of bras that really fit well. Then he takes me somewhere where they have clothes in my size that he likes, too, and he helps me choose something that I like. He knows what I like, so when the clerk lies and tells me that everything looks great when it doesn’t, he calls her on it and tells her to find something that makes me look my best. (Did I mention that this man is a prince?)

If you get overweight, you see, you put off buying anything nice, because you think you ought to lose weight first. In reality, it works the other way. Treat your body with respect, wear clothes that flatter you just as you are right now, and then start looking at healthy choices to make.

The other thing is to set small goals that are directly in your control and that improve your chances of good health regardless of whether they move a scale. You can’t control the scales directly, and that means that you can do everything right and still fail if losing weight is your goal. You can choose to drink a quart of water every day, starting this week, or to add fresh or very minimally sweetened fruit to one meal week, and then to two meals next week, and then add a salad or an extra veggie serving for everyone at dinner, and so on. Do you see the difference? Make the goal of drinking more water, and if you do it, you succeed. Make the goal losing weight, and you can do everything right and still fail, which is depressing.

You can also choose to schedule a stroll with your sweetie three times this week. It’s not how fast or how many calories. It is that you set a goal that you can reach and maintain, and do that.

Mostly, though, tend to the basic friendship that is the foundation of your marriage. Go out together alone. Make it a point to call her and ask her how her day is going once a day. You may find yourself talking more during those phone calls than you talk during the whole rest of the day.

Also, I’ve had the snoring problem, because both my husband and I snore when we gain weight. I say to go to bed together in the same bedroom, even if you know you’ll have to move later. Once you start retiring alone every night in a bed alone, it takes its toil on your psyche and on how you see your place in your marriage. If you stop talking as friends and stop having physical contact of spouses, you can each start felling as if the work you do is all you mean to the other person. So talk, even if you’re not home, and touch, even if there isn’t going to be any sex. In fact, touch a lot when it is not about sex. When there is sex, that non-sexual touch will have put a vital dose of affection into it, and that makes all the difference.

If you care about your marriage, though, then make your marriage your priority. Like the choice to lose weight, if you decide you are going to change your wife, you can fail. If you decide you are going to value her and appreciate her, you can’t fail. So make your goals reflect what you can and can’t control.
👍 Wise advice here.
 
Wow alot of strong opinions on the OP’s situation and about the OP himself.
Only a few touched on the fact that it looks like the marriage is in trouble and he is a bit miserable. Is he sinning for not liking this situation? I don’t think so, unless he gives more information about his behavior in the marriage.

I don’t know alot about the best way to accept and/or not-enable another person’s obesity. I only know that I have gained a size after childbirth and am struggling to bring it down.

I would not begrudge my husband wanting to cook healthy meals and exercise with me. I would not begrudge my husband urging me to go to the dr. because it seems like I’m depressed and I would not begrudge my husband wanting us to go to a marriage counselor if he is miserable in our marriage.

It doesn’t look like either spouse is really ‘happy’ in the marriage and my opinion is that while the OP can make movements to be more loving and accepting, it still won’t make both of them happy until they talk and decide to work together to make their marriage better.
 
If I knew my husband would leave me if I got too fat and stayed there, I’d be devastated. I would feel I had been abandoned already. That’s all there is to it.

If I were to lose the weight, the wound of that devastation wouldn’t automatically disappear. I’d always wonder if he had one foot out the door, looking for imperfections in me to warrant it. It would take a lot of work to heal that wound.

But let’s be honest: While I suspect that it is an emotional struggle to have doubled your weight since your wedding day–not to mention to have struggled with weight your entire life–I don’t think the OP’s wife is the only one with emotional struggles, here.

The OP is feeling shut out by his wife. He’s not feeling affection and gratitude from her during the time they are* out* of their separate beds. She is not feeling gratitude and affection from him, or at least he has not expressed that side of their relationship in his initial post. He feels isolated from her, unloved by her, and so he’s slipped into looking out for himself and changing her.

Whether the seeming “quid pro quo, and I’m not seeing much quo coming my way” nature of their relationship started as a simple mutual “quid pro quo” that has always been there is anyone’s guess. As long as that is in place, though, I don’t see him gaining the “coach” and “cheerleader” place in her life that will give him standing to motivate her in a positive way. By that I mean this: even if she loses the weight, if she’s hurt and angry about their marriage, they aren’t going to find themselves in the same bed, making love like a couple in love does.

That is what he wants! He doesn’t just want her to lose weight. He wants his bride back, he wants to be her groom again. That’s about much more than getting her to eat less and exercise more, and in fact there are ways of trying to get her to lose weight that could really run counter to that goal.
 
Wow alot of strong opinions on the OP’s situation and about the OP himself.
Only a few touched on the fact that it looks like the marriage is in trouble and he is a bit miserable. Is he sinning for not liking this situation?
I agree and disagree, both.

Repentance and sin are great concepts, but sometimes the sin isn’t going to budge before the wound beneath it is addressed. If you want to be juridical about it, that makes the sin in question more of a spiritual fault, an emotional reaction to pain, than a fully chosen transgression against God. It’s not less damaging for that, we’re not going to be at the Throne deciding these things, anyway. The distinction makes a big difference when you’re asking about how to change things, though, that is my point.

Who stands around someone having a heart attack, asking whether the person is dying because they ate too many Big Macs or because they were emotionally unable to distance from their stress or because their genes doomed them? Those are great questions to ask, the chances are the answers are “Yes, Yes, and Yes”, but those questions are only helpful after the CPR and the emergency crews have stabilized the patient enough for an exam.

This marriage is having a cardiac event. Better to join heart to heart again, and then start looking for how to get the arteries clear and the body back in order. Otherwise, the discussion will turn out to be nothing but a very insightful post-mortem exam.
 
Of course I can’t and won’t speak to any individual poster’s condition that may make them an exception.

But let’s not pretend that eating and exercise behavior isn’t a problem in America, either. According to the US Department of Agriculture, the average American daily calorie intake was 2,234 in 1970 and 2,757 in 2003. And it’s not just the amount people consume that’s unsettling, there are several trends we should be worried about, such as the fact that people are eating out more (foods prepared at home are on average more healthy) and they are eating more processed foods.

usda.gov/factbook/chapter2.pdf

Regarding exercise, in a recent CDC study, 33% of adults were considered inactive, 33% of adults had some leisure-time physical activity, and only 35% of adults engaged in leisure-time physical activity on a regular basis. Regarding vigorous leisure-time physical activity, 55% of adults aged 18 years and over never engaged in any periods of vigorous leisure-time physical activity lasting 10 minutes or more per week.

cdc.gov/nchs/data/series/sr_10/sr10_249.pdf
North Americans are also eating more processed foods, foods that are genetically modified, and food that comes from animals shoved full of growth hormones…

(Not trying to sound like I need to put on a tin-foil hat and go hide in my lead-lined basement here folks, but think about what those things can do to people’s metabolic, immune and endocrine systems. Remember the old commercial from the 1970’s that used the line “It isn’t nice to fool with Mother Nature”? It was about butter or margarine, I think…Well, it isn’t good to fool with Father God’s design for our food, either!)
 
Whoah there… please support this assertion. Even the CDC cites changes in eating and exercise habits as a cause of obesity, not the other way around
I’m sorry for writing something so vauge and then taking off. Anyway, the idea that I was talking about is taken from the work of Gary Taube in Why We Get Fat and Good Calories, Bad Calories.

In the book Taube explains the calorie-in/calorie-out model by using the metaphor of a restaurant and customers. Sometimes the restaurant is crowded and sometimes the restaurant is empty. Suppose you wanted to explain the eb and flow of customers. You wouldn’t simply say, “it’s simple, when we’re crowded more people are coming in the restaurant than are leaving; when it’s empty it means more people are staying away than coming in.” It’s technically true but it is not explain anything.

In the book Taube explains that the real cause of excessive fat is chronically high insulin (insulin being the hormone responsible for fat storage) brought on by the standard western diet. More specifically, the excessive carbohydrates that we consume in refined grains and sugar. Excessive carbs lead to excessive insulin leads to excessive fat storage

Furthermore high insulin disrupts the production of Leptin. Leptin is the hormone that signals to the hypothalamus hunger and energy stores. When this message doesn’t get to the hypothalamus we overeat.

Overeating isn’t the reason that we get obese, it is another symptom.

Pretty good explanation of the book here:

[prote(name removed by moderator)ower.com/drmike/low-carb-library/why-we-get-fat/](http://www.prote(name removed by moderator)ower.com/drmike/low-carb-library/why-we-get-fat/)
 
North Americans are also eating more processed foods, foods that are genetically modified, and food that comes from animals shoved full of growth hormones…

(Not trying to sound like I need to put on a tin-foil hat and go hide in my lead-lined basement here folks, but think about what those things can do to people’s metabolic, immune and endocrine systems. Remember the old commercial from the 1970’s that used the line “It isn’t nice to fool with Mother Nature”? It was about butter or margarine, I think…Well, it isn’t good to fool with Father God’s design for our food, either!)
Research has shown that high fructose corn syrup, contrary to what the Corn Council tells us, really IS very different from cane sugar. It acts on leptin in our brains, which is critical in the response of feeling SATISFIED, which means we eat more, and never quite feel full. When you go to McDonald’s, part of the feeling that you could eat 3 Big Macs is not gluttony, it’s that your brain’s “off” switch is stuck on.

And diet food, especially soft drinks, causes our brains to crave more sweet food, since the expected satisfaction factor isn’t there. Try it sometime, get a diet soda and one made with cane sugar, and see which one leaves you craving more. I cannot drink an entire soda made with cane sugar, but I can drink a gallon of diet drink. This is not in our imaginations. These altered molecules are not good for us.

When I was growing up, there was no HFCS and there also were no obese people. When that particular sweetener was invented and started working its way into our food, suddenly there was a lot more obesity. Some of it is lifestyle, but I am convinced that HFCS has played a very large part, all under the radar.

Edited to add: I see the post above me mentioned leptin, too. 👍
 
This is awful and I am so sorry. 😦

I know this is expensive, but have you tried getting a personal trainer to work out your wife maybe 4-5 days a week?

I can understand that it can be hard finding the motivation on her own to go out to the gym everyday, but if she has a set schedule with a professional who will meet with her at scheduled times each day, it’ll make it a lot easier for her to be there and stay committed. Personal trainers can also help with making healthy meal plans.

It’s not a cheap route, but it’s one that is very guaranteed to work…
That is not a bad idea,but I have never believed in hiring a personal trainer. I think it is over-rated and one is very capable of doing it on their own;more important,the person will gain much more confidence, if he or she did it all on their own.
 
I’m sorry for writing something so vauge and then taking off. Anyway, the idea that I was talking about is taken from the work of Gary Taube in Why We Get Fat and Good Calories, Bad Calories.

In the book Taube explains the calorie-in/calorie-out model by using the metaphor of a restaurant and customers. Sometimes the restaurant is crowded and sometimes the restaurant is empty. Suppose you wanted to explain the eb and flow of customers. You wouldn’t simply say, “it’s simple, when we’re crowded more people are coming in the restaurant than are leaving; when it’s empty it means more people are staying away than coming in.” It’s technically true but it is not explain anything.

In the book Taube explains that the real cause of excessive fat is chronically high insulin (insulin being the hormone responsible for fat storage) brought on by the standard western diet. More specifically, the excessive carbohydrates that we consume in refined grains and sugar. Excessive carbs lead to excessive insulin leads to excessive fat storage

Furthermore high insulin disrupts the production of Leptin. Leptin is the hormone that signals to the hypothalamus hunger and energy stores. When this message doesn’t get to the hypothalamus we overeat.

Overeating isn’t the reason that we get obese, it is another symptom.

Pretty good explanation of the book here:

[prote(name removed by moderator)ower.com/drmike/low-carb-library/why-we-get-fat/](http://www.prote(name removed by moderator)ower.com/drmike/low-carb-library/why-we-get-fat/)
Oh, okay, we’re on the same page then. Thanks for the clarification. 🙂
 
Cat,

Great answers!!! You rock.
I’ve got no contribution to the thread as my weary belt will attest, but I just had to say that that is the best screen name I’ve seen in a LONG time. Spray Coke on the screen funny!

I have relatives that subscribe to South Beach (don’t judge by the name) and I suspect there is merit to the assertion that modern food intake is saturated in sugars and refined starches just not readily found in non-industrial civilizations. But I just can’t bring myself to give up bread, fries, white rice, cookies and Cheetos! 🙂
 
That is not a bad idea,but I have never believed in hiring a personal trainer. I think it is over-rated and one is very capable of doing it on their own;more important,the person will gain much more confidence, if he or she did it all on their own.
I don’t agree with this.

First, many fat people do not have any clue about where to start. Second many exercises in magazines or that were done back in our school days are not designed for fat people. Third, many fat people need someone to help them keep proper and safe form during their exercises.

Many exercise programs at gyms, Ys, and other venues are taught by very thin, petite women, sometimes men. These people have no clue that fat people don’t have the strength, flexibility, and/or endurance to do many of the maneuvers in the routine.

I mentioned before that for a lot of fat people, there is a lot of chafing, where skin rubs against skin and causes painful lesions that are simliar to burns. These can become infected. Thin people don’t realize this, because their body parts don’t rub together.

The personal trainer, if they are good at what they do, has been trained to know how to design individualized fitness routines for each person that will help the person to build up their strength and endurance gradually, and not incur the inflammatory response, which is counterproductive to getting healthy.

Even if a personal trainer is working with someone, that someone is still, ultimately, the one who is doing the workout, so they can still gain confidence and the knowledge that they are doing it all themselves. At the same time, they can be confident that they are doing their workout with good form and getting the maximum calorie burn, strength training, endurance build-up, etc. from the workout.

Finally, they can feel safe. One very real fear of obese patients is the fear of getting hurt or worse, having a heart attack or stroke during their workout. A personal trainer is aware (hopefully) of the limitations of the patient, and will be able to monitor them during their workout and make sure that they are not overdoing it and not using positions that will lead to injury.

All of this assumes, of course, that the personal trainer is well-trained themselves. I think a certification is important, but I can understand why a certification doesn’t necessarily mean that the trainer has any practical skills. I would suggest that anyone seeking a personal trainer ask for references, and talk directly to those clients who have used or are currently using the trainer.
 
I’m going to step in here. My husband could have been the OP (except we sleep in the same bed-he snores I don’t, isn’t overweight-I am, but he’s in the healthy BMI range but still has sleep apnea). We have a dusty elliptical too. I have 3 kids right now and one due on Jan. 1st. (3 of them in 3 years) It’s not been easy on my body being prego that often/soon but I can (coulda woulda shoulda) exercised when I was between my 8 year old and 2 year old pregnancies. I ate more than I should have-because it tasted good and I was bored. I didn’t exercise hardly AT ALL. I married my husband at 130 pounds and now I’m just over 200 because of the baby weight/extra weight. I have realized (unlike the biggest loser tries to contend) that selfishness gets a person to this weight (if it’s not a physical problem-thyroid etc.) An overweight person gets their jollies off of eating instead of being around others and getting their comfort from God they eat. I know from experience. Now they need to be so concerned about how their loved ones would feel if they were DEAD from heart disease/etc. because of their self abuse that they should spend some time fixing it. That isn’t “selfish” it’s finally putting everyone who loves you and you love over your love of food. I’ve repented of my gluttony and I hate the person I’ve become because of my love for food and laziness. I’m tired of being sore (when not prego) and whining when I go hiking because I’m so out of shape. -that’s my tale

My husband isn’t mean about it but stresses that he knows I would feel better about myself if I lost the weight (he’s totally right). I was selfish to let myself get this way. Everyone is harping on the OP about his behavior. He could have been patient and wanted to support his wife in her weightloss but dealing with a depressed person that overeats (if it’s not a physical problem) and gives up on themselves over and over and doesn’t want to change REALLY (if she did she would-if again it’s not a physical problem) can be depressing. I don’t think he should have left the bed-she needs to be checked for sleep apnea-they’ll talk to her about her weight in a appt. for that. I also think a seperation is out of the question, vows are vows and they are to be taken seriously for life.

Gluttony is sinful. If she is guilty of gluttony not a physical problem she is in sin and her spending money hand over fist is a bleed over from the gluttony. The lack of discipline to the children is laziness there is no physical reason for that. And laziness and gluttony are best friends.

Bottom line: laziness/boredom/emotional comfort + overeating = gluttony

It’s selfishness. Now it’s time to think about her loved ones and fix what SHE broke. (if it’s not physical)
 
I don’t agree with this.

First, many fat people do not have any clue about where to start. Second many exercises in magazines or that were done back in our school days are not designed for fat people. Third, many fat people need someone to help them keep proper and safe form during their exercises.

Many exercise programs at gyms, Ys, and other venues are taught by very thin, petite women, sometimes men. These people have no clue that fat people don’t have the strength, flexibility, and/or endurance to do many of the maneuvers in the routine.

I mentioned before that for a lot of fat people, there is a lot of chafing, where skin rubs against skin and causes painful lesions that are simliar to burns. These can become infected. Thin people don’t realize this, because their body parts don’t rub together.

The personal trainer, if they are good at what they do, has been trained to know how to design individualized fitness routines for each person that will help the person to build up their strength and endurance gradually, and not incur the inflammatory response, which is counterproductive to getting healthy.

Even if a personal trainer is working with someone, that someone is still, ultimately, the one who is doing the workout, so they can still gain confidence and the knowledge that they are doing it all themselves. At the same time, they can be confident that they are doing their workout with good form and getting the maximum calorie burn, strength training, endurance build-up, etc. from the workout.

Finally, they can feel safe. One very real fear of obese patients is the fear of getting hurt or worse, having a heart attack or stroke during their workout. A personal trainer is aware (hopefully) of the limitations of the patient, and will be able to monitor them during their workout and make sure that they are not overdoing it and not using positions that will lead to injury.

All of this assumes, of course, that the personal trainer is well-trained themselves. I think a certification is important, but I can understand why a certification doesn’t necessarily mean that the trainer has any practical skills. I would suggest that anyone seeking a personal trainer ask for references, and talk directly to those clients who have used or are currently using the trainer.
Most fat people here in the US have watched biggest loser and eating more fruits and vegetables over McDonalds and other junk food is a no brainer. If there is concern about heartattack/stroke she should see a doctor before exercising. But if she doesn’t see a doctor or start exercising/eating right she’ll die anyway of the above. I don’t know if you believe so or not but I don’t believe that gluttony/overeating is a “bio chemical” disorder like overeaters anonymous and such try to put forth. It’s a sin period. Even if fat people chafe or rub against their skin (I don’t thankfully) is no reason for them not to start a weight loss regime. Get in a pool that burns calories and it keeps you from chafing pretty good.
 
We have been married for 20+ years, and our family is faithfully and actively Catholic. We have five children, with a two in college and youngest in sixth grade.

When we were married, my wife was 120 lbs., but she has not managed her eating and exercise, and her weight has steadily increased over the years. Currently, she is obese at nearly twice the weight on our wedding day. All the weight has caused her health to suffer, I believe, as she has had pneumonia once, and is frequently catching colds and the flu more than anyone in the family.

As she added weight, snoring became regular, and I could not get a good night’s rest in the same bed. We have not slept in the same bed for five years, which has significantly curtailed our love life.

As far as we know, she has no medical issues that would prevent our impair weight loss. Diabetes runs in her family and mine, and she is all too aware of the health issues associated with the disease. So far, no signs of it in her health.

She has tried dieting and exercise, but has never fully committed to managing her weight, and has never succeeded, but not for lack of support.

She has always been a stay-at-home mom. As the kids are older / away, she has plenty of time for many. We have an eliptical machine in our basement that she almost never uses. We bought a house on a large park, and are only a three minute walk from a fully-equipped YMCA.

We have talked consistently about he weight and health, and have made many “new starts,” all of which have produced no improvement.

I don’t feel wanted as a husband, and have begun to feel like I represent little more than a steady paycheck to her. In addition, I am feeling like the only adult in this marriage, as her lack of self control has spilled over into money management and a reluctance to discipline our children.

I have talked to a marriage counselor and he recommended a “Healing Separation” to ease the strain on our marriage and attempt to generate a positive change. I’m leaning toward this as it seems a reasonable step for us.

I’d like to hear your thoughts and ideas.

Thanks.
All the weight has caused her health to suffer, I believe, as she has had pneumonia once, and is frequently catching colds and the flu more than anyone in the family.
1 being fat does not cause colds, flu or pneumonia

2 not sleeping in the same bed at night does not have to reduce your frequency of intimacy. You can still be together and then one of you go to the other room when it’s time for sleeping.

3 Your wife has bore you 5 healthy children with her body.

4 you can’t make someone else lose weight, quit smoking or whatever until they are ready to do it.

5 I don’t see how separation is going to heal anything. But joint counseling might, not to convince her to lose weight but so that you both have a place to explore your relationship issues and hopefully come to a better place together.
 
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