Will America become socialist now that Biden has basically won?

[Freddy]

It’s impossible to do a THOUGHT experiment. I’m sorry, but I’m just to let that one slide… way too easy.

Why do you need a thought experiment when exactly the same situation occurred? Only in reverse. Do you want me to link to any articles that tell you exactly what happened? It wasn’t that long ago. Most people would remember.

 

[WanderingPilgrim]

Well unfortunately, abortion is more important than immigration reform. Thanks for voting to expand abortion access. I hope you don’t mind all the extra blood on your hands.

 

[WanderingPilgrim]

Doesn’t matter if it’s “democratically” elected if the majority are supporting candidates who will try to remake the country, destroying it in the process. The patriots were outnumbered by the loyalists who wanted to keep the colonies aligned with the crown. Freedom won once. God willing, if it comes to it, freedom will win again.

 

[Dan123]

Well unfortunately, abortion is more important than immigration reform. Thanks for voting to expand abortion access. I hope you don’t mind all the extra blood on your hands.

I’m not a one-issue voter so I have to consider more than just abortion when placing my vote. We’ll see if that even happens, the president doesn’t have all that much power there and it looks like the senate stayed in republican hands. And if it does it doesn’t occur in a vacuum. Increased access to birth control, sex education, prenatal medical care, financial assistance, child care and so on also serve to reduce the number of abortions and ensure the resources are there for children brought into this world. I think the world is too complex to vote on a single issue without considering the bigger picture.

 

[Freddy]

Doesn’t matter if it’s “democratically” elected if the majority are supporting candidates who will try to remake the country, destroying it in the process. The patriots were outnumbered by the loyalists who wanted to keep the colonies aligned with the crown. Freedom won once. God willing, if it comes to it, freedom will win again.

I like the way you justify the call to armed insurrection by putting ‘democratically elected’ in scare quotes.

 

[WanderingPilgrim]

Ah so more contraception means less abortion. That’s a good thing, right? Instead of terminating a life, we just prevent it from happening? It’s the same evil in God’s eyes. Evil you are supporting as a “good”.

 

[WanderingPilgrim]

I’m sure the loyalists didn’t think much of the colonial insurrectionists either. Yet here we are.

 

[JoeFreedom]

Yeah. I remember.

The Democrats vowed to impeach Trump before he was nominated.
The Democrats vowed to impeach Trump before he was inaugurated.
The Democrats vowed to impeach Trump after he was elected.
The Democrats spent nearly four years pushing Trump’s impeachment. And why?

Because they did not accept his election. They STILL don’t.

The Democrats did not concede the election in 2016 immediately.
The Democrats did not concede the election in 2000 when Bush won.

I’m sorry you cannot think about how the Democrats would scream bloody murder had this been in reverse, but hey, their actions showed exactly what they would do, because they’ve been doing them for four years.

 

[Freddy]

The Democrats did not concede the election in 2016 immediately.

The suggestion was yours to see how the Dems would respond in a similar situation. In a worse situation in 2016 (they lost by the same margin as Trump just did but won the popular vote), the election was called by the media in the early hours of Nov. 9th.

Clinton rang Trump shortly after that the same morning and gave a concession speech a few hours later.

Seems you had forgotten.

 

[Dan123]

Ah so more contraception means less abortion. That’s a good thing, right? Instead of terminating a life, we just prevent it from happening? It’s the same evil in God’s eyes. Evil you are supporting as a “good”.

I don’t hold the same beliefs on contraception as you do, nor it seems do a majority of Americans. But I’m glad we can expand the number of issues to consider to at least 2.

 

[Freddy]

I’m sure the loyalists didn’t think much of the colonial insurrectionists either. Yet here we are.

Yep. Here you are. Proposing armed insurrection when an election doesn’t go your way.

Do you really want to continue with this?

 

[WanderingPilgrim]

Are you Catholic?

 

[JoeFreedom]

Just so you understand the U.S. constitution, the media does not call elections. But I’ll go back to banging my head against the wall…

 

[Freddy]

Just so you understand the U.S. constitution, the media does not call elections. But I’ll go back to banging my head against the wall…

Officially, no. But the point you were making was that the Dems wouldn’t concede in the same situation. She conceded literally hours after it was obvious she had lost. In a worse situation.

I think that contradicts your claim somewhat.

Incidentally, the crazy accusations that one quarter of Trumps legal Dynamic Foursome has been making has apparently caused even Trump to disown her. Powel has just been cut loose.

One wonders what’s going to happen to all that work she has been doing tying in Cuba and Venezuela and Chavez and a central Democratic cabal and Industrialists and the media and the Commies (did I miss anyone out?) to this perceived sofrware fraud.

 

[HarryStotle]

Also, maybe most of us aren’t totally one or the other.

I think you’re missing the problem here. If there has been evidence of fraud, then it must be investigated.

Hopefully we can, being not totally one or the other, view this video - which is a reasonable presentation of the Dominion machines and details the ways they could have been used to alter vote counts, as well as the actors who could have been highly motivated and well placed to do so - and respond accordingly.

I anticipate the standard response from the left: “But it’s a right wing news source!”

If that will be your response, save it. If you want to address the points of evidence in the video with counter evidence, I am all ears.

That is how the adversarial legal system works. That is how a rational argument works. That is how evidence works.

 

[HarryStotle]

PJ Media is a site for right-wing commentary, it is not at all surprising that they would misrepresent the data.

I have to admit: That argument never dawned on me.

Probably because it sounds like conspiracy theory, prejudice, paranoia, AND an instance of the genetic fallacy all rolled into one.

I suppose it is compelling to some, though.

 

[HarryStotle]

The MSM actually earned that first ‘M’.

The large global corporations are, indeed, paying them handsomely for representing their interests. They are earning their keep being the “main” shills for corporate interests.

 

[Freddy]

If that will be your response, save it. If you want to address the points of evidence in the video with counter evidence, I am all ears.

That is how the adversarial legal system works. That is how a rational argument works. That is how evidence works.

It didn’t present any evidence. None at all. Zero. How many times do I have to keep pointing this out? I’m going to have to give you the definition it seems:

Evidence: the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

All that was presented in that video was beliefs, propositions and conjecture. Now what you need to do is dig up some evidence to indicate if those beliefs, propositions and conjecture is actually true and let us have it. That’s how it works. So go look for ‘the available body of facts or information’ and get back to us.

In the meantime, think on the fact that Sidney Powell was adamant that she had evidence that the software itself was specifically designed to give false readings. She even suggested the method whereby Biden would get 1.25 of his vote and Trump 0.75 of his. Whereas nothing in that video mentioned anything of the sort. They were simply saying that someone could manually alter votes.

Also, think on the fact that Georgia for example was recounted by hand and no anomalies found. So the electronic counting matched the manual counting.

Also ponder the fact that Powell has been dumped from the legal team. What she has been proposing was even too risible for Trump to accept.

And who was the kid in the cowboy hat. He was their expert?

 

[HarryStotle]

It didn’t present any evidence. None at all. Zero

You don’t understand what evidence is, unfortunately.

Read:

Evidence:
Any matter of fact that a party to a lawsuit offers to prove or disprove an issue in the case. A system of rules and standards that is used to determine which facts may be admitted, and to what extent a judge or jury may consider those facts, as proof of a particular issue in a lawsuit.

Evidence = any matter of [relevant] fact.

You are not the arbiter of whether a matter of fact is evidence or not, a priori; although you may think you are. Whether it is good, compelling or sufficient evidence, legally speaking, is determined in a court.

When a software specialist claims that ballots that require adjudication are placed in a software folder for human adjudication that counts as “a matter of fact” that together with other matters of fact could decisively prove a “particular issue.”

There were hundreds of “matters of fact” in the video and each of them could be used to prove or disprove one or several issues in court regarding election fraud.

If you believe evidence is one “matter of fact” that proves decisively that fraud occurred, you are mistaken. That is not how legal cases are made. The entire case is made up of dozens of issues and each issue is determined by the preponderance of evidence (individual matters of fact) in civil cases such as an election case. In criminal cases the evidence must satisfy the “beyond reasonable doubt” standard.

This demonstrates that in this entire thread where you have claimed “no evidence” all along you didn’t actually understand the legal standards but were imposing your own subjective standard, which is, effectively, irrelevant.

Care to try again?

 

[HarryStotle]

Also ponder the fact that Powell has been dumped from the legal team. What she has been proposing was even too risible for Trump to accept.

That would be your interpretation of a fact.

She is now independently working on the Dominion case.

That may mean the cases had potential conflicts, legally speaking. It may mean the Trump team is choosing not to fund that strategy because they are making a focussed decision on where their own legal funds and assets are best used. Powell is fundraising separately, now; and she has her own legal team. It may mean the Trump team did not want the distraction of a high profile issue like massive computer fraud. It may mean she is running decoy to distract the press. It might even mean she has gained evidence of criminality in Georgia, for example, regarding how Dominion was selected there with possible kickbacks to government officials, so Powell going off on her own may make complete sense in short order seeing as that would involve actual criminality rather than injunctions on vote counts and certification. It might also mean Powell was a victim of a disinformation campaign and she will take the heat for that separate from the others since that was the contention she originally brought to the table.

I wouldn’t presume anything at the moment.

It is difficult discussing things with linear thinkers who seem to think they have things figured out before everyone else does.

Art of War: Don’t underestimate your enemies.