Will America become socialist now that Biden has basically won?

[JoeFreedom]

I think 47 years of actions speak far greater volumes than written pledges, especially by a career politician.

 

[openmind77]

There was an independent report (referenced by the moderator during the Vice Presidential debate) that indicated that Kamala Harris (based on co sponsorship of bills, votes, bills introduced, etc) was the furthest left Senator in the Senate.

In Mitch McConnell’s senate there were very few bills, if any that could be called ‘socialist’ or even ‘liberal’. This report just means that she did not vote for some defense appropriations.

 

[JoeFreedom]

Good point. But in a politically charged environment where words and phrases have taken on certain known contexts isn’t it worth your while to clarify? Just constructive criticism.

 

[JoeFreedom]

Why doesn’t Romney just go ahead and switch parties? At least he’d be honest that way.

 

[TheLittleLady]

Would you point me to sources that Mr. Biden has:

already made threatening gestures towards religious base organizations, calling them safe havens for hate or some such accusation.

at anytime over the past 47 years?

 

[Socrates92]

He has not won yet. There is still hope. All depends on how it goes in the Supreme Court now.

 

[StudentMI]

There is still hope.

“I don’t believe in hope. Hope is a tool used by political parties.” — Pier Paolo Pasolini (rough quotation; citing it from memory).

 

[Socrates92]

“I don’t believe in hope. Hope is a tool used by political parties.” — Pier Paolo Pasolini (rough quotation; citing it from memory).

Hah, well, then… I just need to come up with a witty quote about “belief” now.

 

[StudentMI]

Hah, well, then… I just need to come up with a witty quote about “belief” now.

Oh don’t get me wrong, I’m not denying hope as a theological virtue. I just usually think of what Pasolini said when it comes to political hope.

 

[blackforest]

And then they move on to libraries, roads, parks, neighborhood schools, fire departments, military, police, rec centers with pools, national parks, forest service campgrounds stoplights, bike trails, crosswalks, bandshells, pickleball courts . . . my word, it’s a wonder we’re not all bearing hammer-and-sickle tattoos.

Or does socialism only happen once diabetics are no longer paying 3-digit numbers for their insulin?

Facetiousness aside, I think it’s time to define “socialism.”

 

[Socrates92]

Got it.
10 care actors

 

[TheLittleLady]

So faith, hope, love remain, these three; but the greatest of these is love. — St Paul

Pray, hope, don’t worry. — St Padre Pio

Catechism of the Catholic Church 1817 Hope is the theological virtue by which we desire the kingdom of heaven and eternal life as our happiness, placing our trust in Christ’s promises and relying not on our own strength, but on the help of the grace of the Holy Spirit. “Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for he who promised is faithful.” “The Holy Spirit . . . he poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that we might be justified by his grace and become heirs in hope of eternal life.”

 

[StudentMI]

Please see post 178.

 

[TheLittleLady]

The words of Holy Mother Church and the saints give no qualifications on hope.

 

[StudentMI]

The words of Holy Mother Church and the saints give no qualifications on hope.

Okay. Please see post 178.

 

[blackforest]

Hope in Christ.

I don’t think it’s healthy to look for us to deify elected officials of look to them to “save” us. or “make things better.”

Hope certainly has its place in our faith; in fact, our faith centers around it. But Ceasar isn’t going to be the one to save us.

 

[StudentMI]

Facetiousness aside, I think it’s time to define “socialism.”

Here is the crux of the issue. I’ve seen it defined in many different ways. Even seen many pro-market thinkers labeled socialist, both by themselves and supporters.

 

[JoeFreedom]

Being in favor of same sex marriages and full term abortion provided by the government not good enough for you?

Biden’s lifelong voting record in the U.S. Senate in Delaware was a 12 by the ACU meaning Biden only votes with conservatives 12.67 percent of the time.

 

[blackforest]

I mean, we could start here. Socialism | Definition of Socialism by Merriam-Webster

But there’s a fine line to draw, and no one agrees where it is.

In today’s discourse, taxpayer-funded programs that people like get labeled “common good” while taxpayer-funded programs that people don’t like get labeled “socialism.”

 

[StudentMI]

Yep. Agreed.

The early socialists were of a vastly more libertarian character, such as Proudhon and Godwin and Spooner. It was with the Second International, if I remember right, that the emphasis became on state ownership as opposed to societal ownership.