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KyPerson
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Some people may lose their jobs, but you know who won’t? Skilled workers. We will need plumbers, electricians, carpenters. They haven’t made a machine that can do those jobs.
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Augustinian
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Not yet anyhow. Things like 3D printing are automating things like making dentures or gunsmithing- skilled work.They haven’t made a machine that can do those jobs.
Self Driving cars are right around the corner, automation is moving right along
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Brendan_64
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Maybe they don’t, but many others are expected to respond to emails etc on evenings and even weekends. Technology has, I think, led to a culture where often a very prompt (it not instantaneous) reply is expected to a demand or query. This has, I think, led to an expectation (even if unofficial) on many that they respond to work queries and requests when they are not at work. I think this creates a kind of relationship where a person is obliged to serve their employer, even in their own time. I don’t think this is good for the indvidual or their family.Oddly, some of the major tech companies like Microsoft and Google don’t seem to have serious problems with overworking employees.
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ConfusedLucy
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There was actually a debate about work emails on the news this morning. Some were arguing you should be paid for answering a work email.
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DarkLight
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One problem in the U.S. and many other countries, is that those who are newly 18 will be denied help for college, unless they can prove (using the parents’ tax records) that their parents can’t afford to pay. I’ve known a lot of people who were coming out of harmful or abusive households, who got screwed over by this because their parents didn’t want to pay or wanted to impose unconscionable rules as a condition of paying. So they had to figure out some way to support themselves for 6 years on a minimum wage job because they couldn’t afford tuition and couldn’t get any assistance.I think living with others sounds like a good solution for people who have a low-income job. Such an arrangement would make it possible for women in low-income jobs to get some schooling (so much is offered online nowadays)–do you all realize that the difference between a minimum-wage job with no/low benefits, and a decent-wage job with full benefits is often only 2-3 years of schooling beyond college?! And if you work in health care as a minimum wage PCT (some places call them CNAs) or some other low-income position, you must know that there are shortages of the more skilled professionals (lab, respiratory, medical imaging, physical therapy assistants, etc., and of course, nurses), and often, a hospital will reimburse tuition for those who complete the degree needed and commit to working in that hospital for a certain number of years.
I think a lot of people do forget about landlords. Most everywhere I’ve tried to rent, you have to provide deposit and first month’s rent up front, plus your last two paystubs from your job (which has to be local and you have to be working there).Many areas have very poor job markets, the cost of relocating is unrealistic for someone out of work (landlords require huge up front deposits and guarantors), running a car is more expensive here due to taxes and public transport is poor.
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ConfusedLucy
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To be honest it could be argued high rents are the problem rather than low salaries.
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recentrevert
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Automation has the potential to place more power into the hands of fewer people. That is always dangerous. I think distributism is the best economic system - productive property in the hands of a large proportion of the population.
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RCIAGraduate
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I believe Lucy is from the UK and from my vastly limited understanding, since the demise of mining, the UK has developed its own sort of “Rust Belt” where jobs and opportunity are much more scarce and limited. Additionally, the City of London, a major population center has relatively high living costs which makes living there possibly a herculean effort.
How can automation be good for us if it destroys and inhibits jobs and opportunities, especially for those most in need and those willing to do what it takes to make a living (trying their best) but cannot…
How can automation be good for us if it destroys and inhibits jobs and opportunities, especially for those most in need and those willing to do what it takes to make a living (trying their best) but cannot…
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ConfusedLucy
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Sums it up. There are communities that are still feeling the effects of the loss of their local industry. A person born there can find it very hard unless they have parents who can pay for them to live somewhere else where there are better jobs.
Don’t get me started on London, it’s very expensive and there is a ripple effect that spreads to the areas around it. I used to work in a hospital in the London commuter belt that was struggling to recruit nurses, not a badly paid job but the high cost of living was putting them off.
Don’t get me started on London, it’s very expensive and there is a ripple effect that spreads to the areas around it. I used to work in a hospital in the London commuter belt that was struggling to recruit nurses, not a badly paid job but the high cost of living was putting them off.
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Peeps
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Everyone who owns rental property should be like my dad (R.I.P.) and my brother (he inherited most of my dad’s properties).
They always rented out their properties to people who were in the circumstances that you and others on this thread have described–hard-working, decent people, who earn an income that isn’t high enough to pay rent on most places, let alone save any money for a house…
But my dad charged and my brother has continued charging a significantly lower rent in exchange for “sweat equity.” The renters are asked to paint, or develop and maintain flower beds, or mow the lawn (my brother finds old lawn mowers in the garbage heap by the side of the road or he buys them at yard sales, and he repairs them–he can get ANY engine running! Then he leaves the lawn mower at the rental property for the tenants.
If any of the tenants run into a problem with paying the rent, my brother will go easy on them by asking them to pay just a little of the rent and pay him back when they are in better circumstances. If a renter is in the hospital or injured, my brother will tell them to skip the rent until they are healed up.
Many of his tenants are able to save up for a house because they aren’t spending all their wages on rent. When they move out, my brother asks them to recommend someone else to move in, and they are happy to recommend my brother’s properties to their friends! He doesn’t have problems with tenants running out on him–people love living in his places and having reasonable terms for rent. He considers his tenants his friends, and they often invite him to family events and socials.
Of course, my dad had other sources of income, and so does my brother, so the rental properties are more of a personal hobby. It’s a way to help people out and do some good in this world and make some friends.
As you can imagine, I’m very proud to have such a good brother and to have been raised by such a good father!
I can’t help but think that many landlords could do something similar without turning into slumlords. Even if they reserved a small percentage of their properties to low-income tenants, or bought up properties to rehab and then rented them out cheap to hard-working singles and families–it would be so nice!
There is an organization in our city–can’t remember the name right now, but it’s something like “God’s Houses.” They do a lot of different things to help people find affordable housing–not just referrals to “the projects,” but buying up blocks of smaller homes and working with tenants to rehab the places into nice homes.
They always rented out their properties to people who were in the circumstances that you and others on this thread have described–hard-working, decent people, who earn an income that isn’t high enough to pay rent on most places, let alone save any money for a house…
But my dad charged and my brother has continued charging a significantly lower rent in exchange for “sweat equity.” The renters are asked to paint, or develop and maintain flower beds, or mow the lawn (my brother finds old lawn mowers in the garbage heap by the side of the road or he buys them at yard sales, and he repairs them–he can get ANY engine running! Then he leaves the lawn mower at the rental property for the tenants.
If any of the tenants run into a problem with paying the rent, my brother will go easy on them by asking them to pay just a little of the rent and pay him back when they are in better circumstances. If a renter is in the hospital or injured, my brother will tell them to skip the rent until they are healed up.
Many of his tenants are able to save up for a house because they aren’t spending all their wages on rent. When they move out, my brother asks them to recommend someone else to move in, and they are happy to recommend my brother’s properties to their friends! He doesn’t have problems with tenants running out on him–people love living in his places and having reasonable terms for rent. He considers his tenants his friends, and they often invite him to family events and socials.
Of course, my dad had other sources of income, and so does my brother, so the rental properties are more of a personal hobby. It’s a way to help people out and do some good in this world and make some friends.
As you can imagine, I’m very proud to have such a good brother and to have been raised by such a good father!
I can’t help but think that many landlords could do something similar without turning into slumlords. Even if they reserved a small percentage of their properties to low-income tenants, or bought up properties to rehab and then rented them out cheap to hard-working singles and families–it would be so nice!
There is an organization in our city–can’t remember the name right now, but it’s something like “God’s Houses.” They do a lot of different things to help people find affordable housing–not just referrals to “the projects,” but buying up blocks of smaller homes and working with tenants to rehab the places into nice homes.
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philipl
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The more I read about AI the more I believe that most jobs will be done by AI in the next 50 years. Drivers, waiter, call centers, Doctors, Surgeons, Construction workers, fast food workers, The list goes on and on, but what jobs will still be around. Writers, Artist, musicians, things that take creativity may survive.
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ConfusedLucy
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Maybe we will become a more creative society.
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philipl
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maybe so, but the more I read the more I come to believe that 99% of all jobs will be done by AI and automation. This will be great for humanity. Business will need customers to purchase all those items being created by automation. Restaurant will need hungry people to sit down and enjoy a meal. So those busness will need to create a model in which people are paid for a different type of labor.
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ConfusedLucy
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I’ve also been reading about citizens incomes. If less jobs are needed but businesses still need consumers maybe it could work.
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philipl
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Bad idea that wont work. Those companies will develop a way to pay “workers” so they can also be consumers
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ConfusedLucy
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I’ve no idea if a citizens income is the answer but it just seems like wages are getting proportionally lower and workers treated worse. I’m guessing the companies markets could shrink and become more specialist and target the wealthier.
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Augustinian
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What things “seem like” and what they are, aren’t necessarily the same.but it just seems like wages are getting proportionally lower and workers treated worse
When I was a kid in the 1960’s, we didn’t have the Walmart and Costco. Groceries were definitely more expensive when compared to wages. When I bought my first TV in 1987, It was $319 for a 19 inch at Sears and I shopped around. Nowadays, it would a lot less for a lot more.
When I was a kid, most folks only had one car in their driveways, nowadays people are just living a lot more affluently.
People complain about “low wages” in America, I just don’t see it. People are living higher on the hog in this country than back in the day.
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ConfusedLucy
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Where I am the smaller purchases like food and clothes are getting cheaper but the bigger ones like housing more expensive.
In practice this might mean a young adult might have a laptop, mobile phone, more than one pair of shoes etc. but they may not be able to earn enough to live independently or provide for a potential family.
In practice this might mean a young adult might have a laptop, mobile phone, more than one pair of shoes etc. but they may not be able to earn enough to live independently or provide for a potential family.
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