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WhiteDove
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I hear that most Catholic couples use artificial birth control and still take communion. If they die unrepentant, will they go to Hell? 
Will Catholics who use artificial birth control go to Hell? ---POLL!
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AmandaPS
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Is it a mortal sin? If it is, do they know itās a mortal sin?I hear that most Catholic couples use artificial birth control and still take communion. If they die unrepentant, will they go to Hell?
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Greg_McPherran
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Actually, it is wrong in itself to think that any human can know who is going to hell. Therefore it is wrong to ask this question to begin with.
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MrS
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Thanks for giving the same answer I would have.http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon14.gif
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CD4
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**I voted ānoā, but really meant to vote that I really didnāt knowā¦No one can know the mind of Godā¦So, it would be presumptious of anyone to make any kind of judgement about who will and will not go to hellā¦Except maybe Mother Teresa, and Pope John Paul II. 
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MrS
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CD4 said:**I voted ānoā, but really meant to vote that I really didnāt knowā¦No one can know the mind of Godā¦So, it would be presumptious of anyone to make any kind of judgement about who will and will not go to hellā¦Except maybe Mother Teresa, and Pope John Paul II.
Did THEY use birth control!!!
Sorry, couldnāt help it. Forgive me St Teresa and Your Holiness.
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darcee
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Using contraception is a mortal sin and you could go to hell for it.
Taking communion unworthily is a mortal sin and you could go to hell for it.
Will a person who rapes and murders a small child go to hell??
I have no way of knowing that is up to God alone.
But any mortal sin that you die of without repenting could separate you from God forever.
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Taking communion unworthily is a mortal sin and you could go to hell for it.
Will a person who rapes and murders a small child go to hell??
I have no way of knowing that is up to God alone.
But any mortal sin that you die of without repenting could separate you from God forever.
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darcee
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That made no sense.
Any mortal sin you havenāt repented of when you die could seperate you from God foreverā¦
Having a DUHHHH moment there
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WhiteDove
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Dear Greg,
So, would it be a mortal sin to ask this question, or merely a venial one???
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Greg_McPherran
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I donāt know if I would call it a sin. This is a Catholic forum with free speech. Itās not like this question has to be taken seriously by anyone unless they choose to.
However, we must be careful because if we truly think that we can say the eternal destiny of someone, then we are in error. If the error is simply a mistake then itās not much of a sin if any. However, if we knowingly claim to have power like this that belongs to God alone then that is sin and can be very serious. I donāt think you intended this question that way, but I am pointing out that this thread is not a good path to be on.
In fact, you are probably a Catholic who is offended by the state of affairs with the Catholic people regarding contraception and other Church teachings. I imagine many like myself are deeply hurt and weary of the Catechism saying one thing and the typical Catholic practice being another.
You posed the question in the wrong way. Perhaps you could pose the question this way:
āDo you think Catholics who knowingly use artificial contraception against Church teaching should repent and cease this practice?ā
I would say āyesā.
I am afraid many priests accept artificial contraception or at least do not teach strongly against it when asked.
This would lead to my next question:
āDo you think that any priests who tell Catholics that artificial contraception is not a grave sin or is OK etc., should be corrected by their bishop?ā
I would say āyesā.
The scary thought is: are there any bishops who would say ānoā?
If all the bishops would say āyesā then why do so many priests seem to teach that artificial contraception is OK or at least not strongly condemn the practice of artificial contraception?
However, we must be careful because if we truly think that we can say the eternal destiny of someone, then we are in error. If the error is simply a mistake then itās not much of a sin if any. However, if we knowingly claim to have power like this that belongs to God alone then that is sin and can be very serious. I donāt think you intended this question that way, but I am pointing out that this thread is not a good path to be on.
In fact, you are probably a Catholic who is offended by the state of affairs with the Catholic people regarding contraception and other Church teachings. I imagine many like myself are deeply hurt and weary of the Catechism saying one thing and the typical Catholic practice being another.
You posed the question in the wrong way. Perhaps you could pose the question this way:
āDo you think Catholics who knowingly use artificial contraception against Church teaching should repent and cease this practice?ā
I would say āyesā.
I am afraid many priests accept artificial contraception or at least do not teach strongly against it when asked.
This would lead to my next question:
āDo you think that any priests who tell Catholics that artificial contraception is not a grave sin or is OK etc., should be corrected by their bishop?ā
I would say āyesā.
The scary thought is: are there any bishops who would say ānoā?
If all the bishops would say āyesā then why do so many priests seem to teach that artificial contraception is OK or at least not strongly condemn the practice of artificial contraception?
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CD4
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Guess I left myself open to that one.
I ask forgiveness too of those two great people~
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K-McD
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I think you mean, āIs it a grave matter?ā Because part of the conditions of a mortal sin is sufficient knowledge or reflection.
- Grave matter
- Sufficient Refection
- Full consent of the will
The question arises whether the person repented before their last breath; in which case they are not in a state of mortal sin.
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K-McD
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āDo you think Catholics who knowingly use artificial contraception against Church teaching should repent and cease this practice?ā
I think the question was simple and the answers have been wishy-washy.
Again, the person didnāt ask if someone is in hell but that if a person dies in a state of mortal sin (e.g., using contraception) will they go to hell? Its a theological question.
Why should Catholics repent and cease this practice? Think it through.
Because it is against Church teaching. OK, why?
Because ultimately it is offensive to God and you will lose friendship with Him. And those who die apart from the friendship of God will lose their soul. (e.g., go to hell)
Not everyone who commits a mortal sin will go to hell; just those who die in this state.
āDo you think Catholics who knowingly use artificial contraception against Church teaching should repent and cease this practice?ā
I think the question was simple and the answers have been wishy-washy.
Again, the person didnāt ask if someone is in hell but that if a person dies in a state of mortal sin (e.g., using contraception) will they go to hell? Its a theological question.
Why should Catholics repent and cease this practice? Think it through.
Because it is against Church teaching. OK, why?
Because ultimately it is offensive to God and you will lose friendship with Him. And those who die apart from the friendship of God will lose their soul. (e.g., go to hell)
Not everyone who commits a mortal sin will go to hell; just those who die in this state.
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1ke
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Your poll doesnāt have the correct response selections. Sin requires full knowledge and will.
Catholics who know contraception is a mortal sin and use it willingly without remorse are in a state of mortal sin.
But, there are a large number of Catholics who lack either full knowledge or free will. In those situations, contraception is still wrong, but they are not necessarily committing a sin or a mortal sin.
Catholics who know contraception is a mortal sin and use it willingly without remorse are in a state of mortal sin.
But, there are a large number of Catholics who lack either full knowledge or free will. In those situations, contraception is still wrong, but they are not necessarily committing a sin or a mortal sin.
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pittsburghjeff
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The last poster has it right.
If you do not āknowā (at least in a general sense) that something is a mortal sin, it is not a mortal sin.
An example would be a couple who is contracepting because their priest told them contraception was OK if they followed their conscience. Well, we all know that only a moron priest would say something like that. But the couple may not know. Amd there are priests out there who say such things. The couple did what they could - they sought guidance from the church - and got bad advice.
Now, even in that case contracepting is still sinful and will still hurt the marriage - but God would not send them to hell for that since they did not have full knowledge. Mortal sin requires full knowledge of the sin - a conscious decision to disobey God - on a matter of grave importance with full consent of the will.
Sexual sins are always grave. The only other issues are whether there is full knowlege and full consent.
One might lack full consent if she is contracepting because she is in an abusive relationship and her husband would beat her up if she did not contracept.
If you do not āknowā (at least in a general sense) that something is a mortal sin, it is not a mortal sin.
An example would be a couple who is contracepting because their priest told them contraception was OK if they followed their conscience. Well, we all know that only a moron priest would say something like that. But the couple may not know. Amd there are priests out there who say such things. The couple did what they could - they sought guidance from the church - and got bad advice.
Now, even in that case contracepting is still sinful and will still hurt the marriage - but God would not send them to hell for that since they did not have full knowledge. Mortal sin requires full knowledge of the sin - a conscious decision to disobey God - on a matter of grave importance with full consent of the will.
Sexual sins are always grave. The only other issues are whether there is full knowlege and full consent.
One might lack full consent if she is contracepting because she is in an abusive relationship and her husband would beat her up if she did not contracept.
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buffalo
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**2399 **The regulation of births represents one of the aspects of responsible fatherhood and motherhood. Legitimate intentions on the part of the spouses do not justify recourse to morally unacceptable means (for example, direct sterilization or contraception).
2370 Periodic continence, that is, the methods of birth regulation based on self-observation and the use of infertile periods, is in conformity with the objective criteria of morality.158 These methods respect the bodies of the spouses, encourage tenderness between them, and favor the education of an authentic freedom. **In contrast, āevery action which, whether in anticipation of the conjugal act, or in its accomplishment, or in the development of its natural consequences, proposes, whether as an end or as a means, to render procreation impossibleā is intrinsically evil:**159
Thus the innate language that expresses the total reciprocal self-giving of husband and wife is overlaid, through contraception, by an objectively contradictory language, namely, that of not giving oneself totally to the other. This leads not only to a positive refusal to be open to life but also to a falsification of the inner truth of conjugal love, which is called upon to give itself in personal totality. . . . The difference, both anthropological and moral, between contraception and recourse to the rhythm of the cycle . . . involves in the final analysis two irreconcilable concepts of the human person and of human sexuality.
2370 Periodic continence, that is, the methods of birth regulation based on self-observation and the use of infertile periods, is in conformity with the objective criteria of morality.158 These methods respect the bodies of the spouses, encourage tenderness between them, and favor the education of an authentic freedom. **In contrast, āevery action which, whether in anticipation of the conjugal act, or in its accomplishment, or in the development of its natural consequences, proposes, whether as an end or as a means, to render procreation impossibleā is intrinsically evil:**159
Thus the innate language that expresses the total reciprocal self-giving of husband and wife is overlaid, through contraception, by an objectively contradictory language, namely, that of not giving oneself totally to the other. This leads not only to a positive refusal to be open to life but also to a falsification of the inner truth of conjugal love, which is called upon to give itself in personal totality. . . . The difference, both anthropological and moral, between contraception and recourse to the rhythm of the cycle . . . involves in the final analysis two irreconcilable concepts of the human person and of human sexuality.
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buffalo
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Is that the reason why priests donāt talk about it? If everyone is kept ignorant then no sin is committed. Is there a hidden agenda?
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hosea
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in my best Johnny Mathis voiceā¦
Itās not for me to sayā¦
Itās not for me to sayā¦
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thechrismyster
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hmmm, i have a question, if a person dies in a state of mortal sin they go to hell, but if their last breathe is repentance, they are forgiven.
doesnāt that negate the effect of confession?? that seems to tell me that mortal sins are forgiven just by asking for forgiveness.
i thought mortal sins MUST be confessed.
doesnāt that negate the effect of confession?? that seems to tell me that mortal sins are forgiven just by asking for forgiveness.
i thought mortal sins MUST be confessed.
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pittsburghjeff
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A sin is always commmitted when one contracepts. If people are ignorant than the sin is not mortal. Sin is always sin. The only distinction has to do with the punsihment attached to the sin.
Most priests and Bishops donāt talk about contraception because they are cowards. I donāt think there is a hidden agenda
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