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Maxirad
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Check out these quotes.
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peace2u2
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Revelations 7:9 After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count
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ialsop
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That does not mean a great majority.
Yes, it is true, and greatly unthought of by todays world, that only a few will be saved. That is fact.
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Rachellem56
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I’ve heard a similar debate before, and what I was told was that although the number of people who will be saved is many, in comparison to the damned it will be few. Think about a comparison between the stars at night and grains of sand at the beach. Although both are many, one is comparably more.
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midori
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Suppose you went to the beach for a vacation with ten friends. Suppose one of them drowned in an undertow.
Would you go home with too few people?
Suppose you went on vacation with a hundred friends, and went home with 99 still alive. Is that still too few?
Whenever people talk about whether this person or that person is saved, we need to keep in mind that we ought to be considering our own prayers, works, and sacrifices that we’re bringing to God. So many great saints worried that they weren’t doing enough with the graces God gave them. If the great saints weren’t satisfied with the merits of their own work, why should I be satisfied with my own feeble attempts? We need to use that as a spur to strive to better do our work on earth, rather than looking around at other people and gauging where they’re at, how we compare, and if we’ve done “enough” yet to slip in.
Would you go home with too few people?
Suppose you went on vacation with a hundred friends, and went home with 99 still alive. Is that still too few?
Whenever people talk about whether this person or that person is saved, we need to keep in mind that we ought to be considering our own prayers, works, and sacrifices that we’re bringing to God. So many great saints worried that they weren’t doing enough with the graces God gave them. If the great saints weren’t satisfied with the merits of their own work, why should I be satisfied with my own feeble attempts? We need to use that as a spur to strive to better do our work on earth, rather than looking around at other people and gauging where they’re at, how we compare, and if we’ve done “enough” yet to slip in.
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GodMadeMe
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All men are saved. But perhaps only a few will accept their salvation. Salvation is not earned, its a gift.
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ialsop
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I agree with what your asserting…I think…but be VERY careful with how you phrase that.
I think your point is a good one.
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JoeMike
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That has always boggled my mind. Why would anyone choose not to accept salvation instead of eternal misery?
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ialsop
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Some(all of us without grace) cannot resist the lures of pleasure on this world, sadly…
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PumpkinCookie
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No, no, no :tsktsk:
In the mid 1960’s we figured out that all those people quoted in the article at your link were totally wrong! It is reasonable to hope that all people are saved, haven’t you heard?
If you were at an amusement park and a sign said “FYI: Most people who get on this ride die a horrific death. Ride at your own risk.” Would you get on that ride? Would you put your children on it? Friends? Other family members? Would you think that the engineers who designed a ride like that made a terrible mistake or were demented? When your children died on the ride, and you tried to blame the amusement park because you didn’t see the sign or thought it was a joke, and they said “it isn’t our fault, since you chose to put them on the ride” would you accept that as a legitimate excuse?
Why or why not? Just curious.
In the mid 1960’s we figured out that all those people quoted in the article at your link were totally wrong! It is reasonable to hope that all people are saved, haven’t you heard?
If you were at an amusement park and a sign said “FYI: Most people who get on this ride die a horrific death. Ride at your own risk.” Would you get on that ride? Would you put your children on it? Friends? Other family members? Would you think that the engineers who designed a ride like that made a terrible mistake or were demented? When your children died on the ride, and you tried to blame the amusement park because you didn’t see the sign or thought it was a joke, and they said “it isn’t our fault, since you chose to put them on the ride” would you accept that as a legitimate excuse?
Why or why not? Just curious.
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captainrick
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My opinion: i do not believe any living person can know who, or how many, will be saved.
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Carlos1994
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Why make alarming remarks about this if we don’t know for sure?
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GodMadeMe
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Because if only a few men are saved then the odds are against you. But this idea of salvation usually comes from a faulty perception of God. The truth is, it is impossible to go to hell unless you want to. Why would someone want to go to hell? A Man may not want to suffer, but that does not mean human-beings want to be eternal servants of love.
Some would rather be their own God which is made evident by the degree of evil found in the world.
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Carlos1994
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Who is worthy of heaven anyway? We have to trust in God’s mercy when it comes to this. And pray for the dying people.
I see some possible mistakes in the things some saints say in that link. Saints are not infallible.
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triumphguy
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My wife says, yes, but lots of women will be
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mikekle
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I have a feeling it will be few in number who make it to heaven, it is very difficult to live life according to how God wants us to, even with confession, people have a hard time being truly sorry for things they dont really view as being sinful, not in the way the bible or God sees it anyway.
Personally, I dont think many people want to be their ‘own god’ so to speak, they are just living a life, in a world they were born into, this is all they know (the world), sure they have the bible, but that is something 2000 yrs old, so most do not consider it relevant, instead, I think many people just want to live in this world and then die, maybe they dont like being forced into making a choice either way when it comes to accepting their creator and worshiping him? Id say thats fine, nothing wrong with that as long as they dont harm anyone else by their actions, and live as good people, that is their choice, they have free will.
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GodMadeMe
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When i say be their own God, I simply mean they do as they feel fit and not necessarily according to what they ought to do. Many people prefer to live their lives by their own designs or creations. That is what it means to be your own God. Of course, this is not true for everyone.
There is such a thing as moral ignorance and God does not judge ignorance. God judges the heart of man. In a sense God does not even judge wrong doing. In a sense God does not judge at all. Heaven is a gift that no evil can forfeit if by forfeit one means that God rejects his creation. You go to hell not because God takes away heaven for wrong doing, but rather we reject salvation in our wrong doing; we reject God. We bring judgment upon ourselves by acting against the good that sustains our very being in existence.
To worship God simply means to worship Love. If you live outside of what is good, and do not seek to make amends with the good, then God cannot save you from yourself. Your nature is not identical in nature with love and therefore you can only experience heaven by being in union with the nature of love. You put yourself in hell. Humanbeings are destroying themselves. Thats why one of the central themes of the bible is about mastering the flesh. The less you discipline yourself, the more you will sin, the more you sin the more you be possessed by that sin and the less likely it will be that you will repent with a true heart.
Heaven is not something worked for. If you do good it is because it is what you ought to do. It does not add or take away from the possibility of heaven or hell. It is not a work contract; it is simply what a truly good person would do. A Man can do evil all his life and then give true and honest repentance for his wickedness and still experience heaven despite all the evil done. In most cases a man is so possessed by evil that he never repents and some merely try to hoodwink God with shallow promises and good works not realizing that to worship God is essentially to have a relationship with the nature of Love. God merely asks for true repentance and a true relationship with love, not perfection, and those who cannot give true repentance cannot have God.
You cannot have your cake and eat it.
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ialsop
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Good points, the saints COULD be wrong.
Though, Jesus did say narrow is the gate to life.
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JoeMike
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Was St. Faustina wrong? She said everyone gets one last chance to choose God (at the moment of death).
Which brings me back to my question: Why would anyone choose eternal suffering when they’re being offered eternal happiness?
Unless it’s a question of pride (the bad kind, the Lucifer getting kicked out of Heaven kind). Maybe accepting God’s mercy and forgiveness requires more humility than some people can muster, even in the face of eternal fire… I wonder.
Which brings me back to my question: Why would anyone choose eternal suffering when they’re being offered eternal happiness?
Unless it’s a question of pride (the bad kind, the Lucifer getting kicked out of Heaven kind). Maybe accepting God’s mercy and forgiveness requires more humility than some people can muster, even in the face of eternal fire… I wonder.
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ialsop
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Of course they do, at the moment BEFORE death, not after. After it is done. And St Faustina is perfectly fallible, dont forget that.Was St. Faustina wrong? She said everyone gets one last chance to choose God (at the moment of death).
Which brings me back to my question: Why would anyone choose eternal suffering when they’re being offered eternal happiness?
Unless it’s a question of pride (the bad kind, the Lucifer getting kicked out of Heaven kind). Maybe accepting God’s mercy and forgiveness requires more humility than some people can muster, even in the face of eternal fire… I wonder.
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