Will I go to Hell

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Hi, P101,

Benedictus2 actually gives some of the best answers around … …🙂
Thanks very much for the compliment Tom. :o You do very well youself.
You know, Faith is not like a warranty card on your car! Just take a look at little children - they do not ask for ASSURANCE - they believe and are obedient.
I think this is a very good point. Obedience is very important.

As Scott Hahn said, He is a Father who keeps His promise but our obedience is required. However, we need to know that we are indeed obeying His will and not rationalizing our wrong choices away, which can happen. The devil whose aim is our death, can present to us sugar-coated evil choices. So discernment is very important.

We need to know Christ’s light so that we may follow the Light and not be fumbling about in the darkness.
 
Hi, Richard,

You are soooooooooooo right! 👍

Thank you for those calming words. This really did get out of hand :eek:

As I recall, the Disciples had gotten into an argument about who would be the greatest… and Christ rebuked them for their vanity and lack of charity (Luke 9:46-48)
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An argument arose among the disciples about which of them was the greatest.
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Jesus realized the intention of their hearts and took a child and placed it by his side
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and said to them, “Whoever receives this child in my name receives me, and whoever receives me receives the one who sent me. For the one who is least among all of you is the one who is the greatest.”

There is still a lesson or two in these verses… 😉

God bless
Fancy meetting you here Tom. I was wondering if you are ever going to answer my last post back on the Adventist thread or are you just going to let it hang in the breeze.
 
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benedictus2:
I think this is a very good point. Obedience is very important.

As Scott Hahn said, He is a Father who keeps His promise but our obedience is required. However, we need to know that we are indeed obeying His will and not rationalizing our wrong choices away, which can happen. The devil whose aim is our death, can present to us sugar-coated evil choices. So discernment is very important.

We need to know Christ’s light so that we may follow the Light and not be fumbling about in the darkness.

This is indeed a good point,
[SIGN]However, we need to know that we are indeed obeying His will and not rationalizing our wrong choices away, which can happen.[/SIGN] but it certainly begs the question.Why does the CC and 99% of protestant christians keep Sunday in place of God’s holy Sabbath day, which is one of the ten commandments and is the ultimate expression of God’s will for us. Rev. 12:17 defines God’s church as **“the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.” ** and Ex. 20:10 defines the fourth commandment as “the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God” So, why do you think that keeping Sunday the first day and a commandment of man is good enough.
Mark7:7Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
 
Hi, Richard,

I am sorry if I failed to respond to a post - I really do try … but, sometimes my senior moments can be measured in hours! 😃

In any event - I probably won’t get to it any time soon… not from mischief, but we fly out tomorrow and Jeanne is ‘cracking the whip’ on the packing! 😃 We will be celebrating our 39th anniversary with a cruise to Panama … so, I will be out of pocket for 2 weeks.

Now, whatever it is - I am sure you are right …😛 … but, on the remote chance that you have strayed … ;)… I would like to defer to Benedictus2! 😃 Hey, when it comes to passing the buck, I was at the top of my class! Seriously, Benedictus2 provides excellent responses that are both intelligent, insightful and in-line with Catholic teaching. Hey, with an intro like that - you know you are in for a stimulating response…! 👍

Seriously, let me compliment you for your calming words in that previous post. My remarks were sincerely meant. No of us show the love of Christ by flaming others on these posts - we can disagree - but, not in a disagreeable manner. From time to time, we all need a reminder…🙂

God bless - and, if anyone wants some pictures - just send me your private e-mail address as a private post and I will catch it when I return.
Fancy meetting you here Tom. I was wondering if you are ever going to answer my last post back on the Adventist thread or are you just going to let it hang in the breeze.
 
Well, I don’t have any issues with the doctrines of the Church so maybe you can tell me which one you have an issue with. Perhaps so it is not completely off topic, we could relate that to salvation (hence avoidance of hell 😃 )

Or maybe something I already said in this forum which you disagree with. But please, something specific.
I didn’t bring this up you did in post 362 “How about we go 1 item at a time on what you disagree with.” Well you seem to know what I disagree with so you tell me what you want to discuss.
 
Howdy Benedictus2! Just letting you know I saw your replies. I will come back asap to read them slowly. Looks interesting! Thanks for the effort. 🙂
 
This is indeed a good point,
[sign]However, we need to know that we are indeed obeying His will and not rationalizing our wrong choices away, which can happen.[/sign] but it certainly begs the question.Why does the CC and 99% of protestant christians keep Sunday in place of God’s holy Sabbath day, which is one of the ten commandments and is the ultimate expression of God’s will for us. Rev. 12:17 defines God’s church as **“the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.” **and Ex. 20:10 defines the fourth commandment as “the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God” So, why do you think that keeping Sunday the first day and a commandment of man is good enough.
Mark7:7Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
IF you are indeed a Christian, then you will follow how the first Christians understood worship. On the 1st of day of the week Christ rose from the dead, the first Christians recognized the importance of this. Though initially gathering for the reading of scripture on the Sabbath (they would go to the synagogues for this) they would gather on the 1st day of the week for the breaking of the bread. When they were driven out of the synagogues by the Jews, they then combined the reading and the breaking of the bread together in one celebration.

We are no longer under the old covenant but the new covenant. Christ being God (that is if you consider Him God) is the Lord of the Sabbath. The 1st day of the week has been referred to as the Lord’s day by the first Christians.

Christ rose on the first day of the way, the Holy Spirit came down on Christ’s disciples on the 1st day of the week. Clearly Christ is hollowing the 1st day of the week.

AS for Mark, Mark was a Catholic and worshipped on the 1st day of the week as weel so what you are trying to show with that quote holds no water.

That is why I said you are free to continue worshipping on the Sabbath but that is the Jewish worship. Not so Christians.

But this is digressing from the OP.
 
I didn’t bring this up you did in post 362 “How about we go 1 item at a time on what you disagree with.” Well you seem to know what I disagree with so you tell me what you want to discuss.
That was in response to your post 330 where you said :
rev kevin:
Sorry but we will never agree. Have a good day.
So what I am asking is: what is it that you think we will never agree on? That is wy I asked you to mention what you think we will never agree on but only 1 topic at a time so it doesn’t get to messy.
 
Howdy Benedictus2! Just letting you know I saw your replies. I will come back asap to read them slowly. Looks interesting! Thanks for the effort. 🙂
That’s okay. I am finding it extremely dificult to keep up with the threads I am in. I really ought to unsubscribe and leave only one going. My mom keeps telling me to go to bed early and stop quarreling with people on the internet Very sound advise but I have this terrible stubborn streak. 😃
 
That was in response to your post 330 where you said :

So what I am asking is: what is it that you think we will never agree on? That is wy I asked you to mention what you think we will never agree on but only 1 topic at a time so it doesn’t get to messy.
That the Catholic church is the one true church.
 
I very much want to quit the catholic church and become an
Assembly of God member. Am i doomed for hell?
I really don’t see how leaving the CC would get you damned to eternal torments. Salvation is in Christ…

But then again I don’t think I can approach this topic 100% unbiased. I left the CC for theological reasons.
 
Hi, Rev Kevin,

On the off change that Benedictus2’s Mother gets the upper hand… let me jump in and offer my thoughts on this. Hopefully, you will not see this as intruding - but, it is an important question, and I really did not want you to wait any longer then necessary…🙂 So, here goes…
That the Catholic church is the one true church.
Now, in all humility, this question has been asked any number of ways for hundreds of years. The idea that THE idea that answers this question lies in the next few sentences, is brash indeed! What ever happens, ultimately, the Holy Spirit will need to guide the minds and hearts of both readers and writers of these posts.

I think it safe to say that at the time of Christ (approximately, 1AD - 33AD) there were a few recognized religions: Jews and Gentiles would be a major classification - and the Jews were divided into rather lax groups perhaps best identified with Herodians and the really penatential ones best identified with the Esenes of Dead Sea Scroll fame. Gentiles were all over the place - from atheists to polytheists to gnostics to a bunch more - truly all ove the place. About 33AD there appeared this splinter group of Jews who said that Christ was the promised Messiah - and then came the Resurrection and this little group claimed Christ was the Son of God - and this caught everyone’s attention. This attention, however, was intensely focused on their active persection and eradication. One of the most famous of the persecutors was Saul of Tarsus. Now, we do not know ‘why’ or ‘how’ or ‘under what conditions’ but the group apparently called itself “The Way” (instead of Christians) and Saul’s mission was to persecute all who followed “The Way” (Acts 24:4). This apparently met with some success on the part of the persecutors in that these persecuted people fled Jerusalem and Saul went out to Damascus to arrest those who had been previously caught and bring them back to Jerusalem (Acts 9:1-2). It is only later that - for some unexplained and unwritten reason - we really do not hear about The Way anymore - rather, their name seems to have changed to Christian by the believers in Antioch (Acts 11:26). And, I think that is the last time a name for the followers of Christ is mentioned in the Bible. But, you know, it does not end there…😃

The mere fact that something is not written down does not mean it did not happen or did not exist (John 21:25). So, let’s see if we can go backwards and make some sense of this. Sometime from the start to Christ’s Public Ministry (c. 30AD) and the Resurrection at least some of Christ’s followers said they were members of The Way. This would have been the earliest recorded name for the group. Whether the Apostles said they were members of The Way is impossible to say because nothing is recorded - but, somehow the group, or a group that followed Christ had that name. And, for lack of anything else, let’s just say The Way was the name that Christ’s followers were know by.

Simon was called by Christ to join this group and Christ changed Simon’s name to Peter (John 1:42). Later on God the Father selected Peter and gave him the right answer to Christ question (Matt 16:17) and Christ acknowledged this and gave the keys to the kingdom to Peter and the delegated Power of God to bind and lose anything.

All of this is in Scripture - and requires no further documents then what you already have in your hands. Let’s stop there and see if we are in total agreement or if there is an item that needs clarification.

God bless
 
Hi, Rev Kevin,

On the off change that Benedictus2’s Mother gets the upper hand… let me jump in and offer my thoughts on this. Hopefully, you will not see this as intruding - but, it is an important question, and I really did not want you to wait any longer then necessary…🙂 So, here goes…

Now, in all humility, this question has been asked any number of ways for hundreds of years. The idea that THE idea that answers this question lies in the next few sentences, is brash indeed! What ever happens, ultimately, the Holy Spirit will need to guide the minds and hearts of both readers and writers of these posts.

I think it safe to say that at the time of Christ (approximately, 1AD - 33AD) there were a few recognized religions: Jews and Gentiles would be a major classification - and the Jews were divided into rather lax groups perhaps best identified with Herodians and the really penatential ones best identified with the Esenes of Dead Sea Scroll fame. Gentiles were all over the place - from atheists to polytheists to gnostics to a bunch more - truly all ove the place. About 33AD there appeared this splinter group of Jews who said that Christ was the promised Messiah - and then came the Resurrection and this little group claimed Christ was the Son of God - and this caught everyone’s attention. This attention, however, was intensely focused on their active persection and eradication. One of the most famous of the persecutors was Saul of Tarsus. Now, we do not know ‘why’ or ‘how’ or ‘under what conditions’ but the group apparently called itself “The Way” (instead of Christians) and Saul’s mission was to persecute all who followed “The Way” (Acts 24:4). This apparently met with some success on the part of the persecutors in that these persecuted people fled Jerusalem and Saul went out to Damascus to arrest those who had been previously caught and bring them back to Jerusalem (Acts 9:1-2). It is only later that - for some unexplained and unwritten reason - we really do not hear about The Way anymore - rather, their name seems to have changed to Christian by the believers in Antioch (Acts 11:26). And, I think that is the last time a name for the followers of Christ is mentioned in the Bible. But, you know, it does not end there…😃

The mere fact that something is not written down does not mean it did not happen or did not exist (John 21:25). So, let’s see if we can go backwards and make some sense of this. Sometime from the start to Christ’s Public Ministry (c. 30AD) and the Resurrection at least some of Christ’s followers said they were members of The Way. This would have been the earliest recorded name for the group. Whether the Apostles said they were members of The Way is impossible to say because nothing is recorded - but, somehow the group, or a group that followed Christ had that name. And, for lack of anything else, let’s just say The Way was the name that Christ’s followers were know by.

Simon was called by Christ to join this group and Christ changed Simon’s name to Peter (John 1:42). Later on God the Father selected Peter and gave him the right answer to Christ question (Matt 16:17) and Christ acknowledged this and gave the keys to the kingdom to Peter and the delegated Power of God to bind and lose anything.

All of this is in Scripture - and requires no further documents then what you already have in your hands. Let’s stop there and see if we are in total agreement or if there is an item that needs clarification.

God bless
I know what you are saying but it doesn’t say that the Catholic church is the one true church. In Matthew 16:16 is says Simon Peter answered, "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.’ He gave the correct answer and Jesus told him that upon this rock I will build my church. Could it mean the teachings of Jesus because the answer was “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” Then he said upon this rock I will build my church, Could the answer that Peter gave and he was to build upon the message and teachings of the Messiah, Jesus. Could it be that that is the church Jesus is talking about. The body of Christ is the church and Jesus is the head of the church. Could it mean the body is the foundation that Jesus set in his teachings and that Jesus was the head of these teachings that we are to build upon. Just asking.
 
I really don’t see how leaving the CC would get you damned to eternal torments. Salvation is in Christ…

But then again I don’t think I can approach this topic 100% unbiased. I left the CC for theological reasons.
Acts 9:4-5
**He fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, "Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me?" **
**He said, “Who are you, sir?” The reply came, "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. **
Jesus equates his very self with his Church.

**He and his Church cannot be seperated. Salvation is IN Christ but THROUGH His Church - and he only established ONE.
 
And maybe we should quit dodging our earlier false accusations and answer post #398. :rolleyes:
elvisman this dodging is between you and Hisalone, Protestant 101 did not make the statement. He asked a totally different question. Now you are dodging this question by Protestant 101 by asking him to answer a question that he never asked.
 
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