Will Joe Biden Be The First Presidential Nominee In 80 Years To Refuse A Debate?

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LeafByNiggle . . . .
Trump has said so many things that turned out to be untrue that his supposed intention of making these drugs available to the general populace has lost all of its meaning.
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Well Leaf. Be concerned no more.

Famotidine is available over the counter at your local WalMart.

Dexamethasone your doctor already has access to and unless a league of leftist pharmacists refuse to fill it (some of the same ones that probably
carp about other pharmacists that refuse to fill prescriptions for birth control pills and abortion poison), should be available to you now.

Aspirin? Who knows? That doggone Trump is probably making aspirin unavailable to you right this instant!

Remdesivir is getting more available too (remember. It is quasi-experimental in COVID).

Oxygen (the little that Trump required)? Why is that Trump and his Trumpsters hiding that one too??

Regeneron is also quasi-experimental.
The treatment for this in COVID is actually in an untried stage (less experience of this than the HCQ that you have nuked for the same reasons, but now here you are critical that it isn’t widely available). At least untried by more gold scientific standards. The same ones you insisted upon with HCQ widespread usage.
Mr. Trump was given a single dose of Regeneron’s antibody cocktail while he was being treated for COVID-19 and has gone on to praise the treatment, officially known as REGN-COV2, as a “cure” for the virus.

But the treatment has yet to undergo a peer-reviewed drug trial and has only been given to 10 people outside of clinical trials.

Schleifer called Mr. Trump’s case a “case report” and said while it is evidence of how the drug worked, it’s the “weakest evidence that you can get.”

“The real evidence has to come — about how good a drug is and what it will do on average — has to come from these large clinical trials, these randomized clinical trials, which are the gold standard,” he said.
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I’ve gotta say Leaf.

Your criticisms of President Trump sure appear (at least to me) political rather than science or medicine based.
 
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Gee, Regeneron will only be $1500.00 a dose at cost. I wonder how many insurances will pay for it when/if available?

I have to get a shot twice a year that costs $1000.00… my insurance pays half and I have good insurance with a good drug plan! I can afford it because I can budget for it by using my savings but it’s a painful amount to pay even for me. Seems like this will be a treatment only for the wealthy unless Trump has plans to make it available to all who would benefit regardless of ability to pay. I wonder if he will?
 
PattyIt . . .
Seems like this will be a treatment only for the wealthy unless Trump has plans . . .
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Seems to me like Trump can’t win no matter what he does.

The President of the United States does not put out new medications. (They don’t even put out old ones.)
 
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FrankFletcher . . .
But he could strike a deal with the manufacturer and insurance companies.
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So your criticism here is that Trump doesn’t cut some sort of a phantom deal with a medication that is not even approved??

(Then if the drug is a failure, you can criticise Trump for spending taxpayer monies on a non-approved drug whim. He can’t win.)

Your issue when you peel back the proverbial banana, is you just want government paying for medications. At least that is what it seems like to me.
 
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Sure.

In your world . . . .

President Trump can “absolutely” cut a deal with one of the generic manufacturers of hydroxychloroquine to you too right FrankFletcher?

Because after all. It’s a pandemic.
 
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I’m not sure why you’re determined to be snide. I would think, yes, President Trump absolutely could make a deal with the manufacturer and insurance companies. This is what his reputation is all based on. And in an unprecedented-in-our-lifetime situation like this, it just seems prudent. Had there been a medical solution to the Spanish Flu, I would have expected the government to pay for doses of it. It’s about protecting the health of American citizens.
 
FrankFletcher (on Presidents spending taxpayer monies purchasing unapproved medications) . . .
And in an unprecedented-in-our-lifetime situation like this, it just seems prudent.
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Was it prudent a few months ago with hydroxychloroquine too?

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It’s about protecting the health of American citizens.
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And if they eventually find that it did more harm than good then what?

And WHO do you think should take the blame then fir wrongly spending taxpayer monies to hurt citizens (when they thought it would help them)?
 
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If that drug has the desired results en masse, yes. Absolutely. If it’s still possible that the drug could do more harm than good, the president shouldn’t be touting it as an option.
 
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Seems to me like Trump can’t win no matter what he does.

The President of the United States does not put out new medications. (They don’t even put out old ones.)
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I mean that if the treatment is approved and becomes available to doctors to prescribe, people that can’t afford it won’t be able to take it if they don’t have the money.

Trump absolutely could make monies available to assure that everyone who would be helped by this medication, is compensated or covered. If not him, then each state could possibly do it but a much better plan would be countrywide. Besides making a deal, he could order funds to be provided for this. I doubt there would be any objections to a lifesaving but expensive treatment.
 
FrankFletcher . . .
If that drug has the desired results en masse, yes.
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That’s the purpose of studying the drug Frank. To see if there are “desired results en masse”.

You saw that just ten people have had this drug outside the usual study protocol (which is in progress) right?

Sorry if you think I am being “snide.”

PM me asap on what it is and if reasonable, I will be happy to modify my own posts on your behalf.
 
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PattyIt . . .
Trump absolutely could make monies available to assure that everyone . . .
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Well. This has certainly morphed from Biden ducking the debate.

What you really are advocating here PattyIt, is socialized phamracueticals.

I think you can start a thread on that if you want to.
 
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Why are thinking I’m attacking Trump? It’s not like we haven’t done this before. When polio oral vaccine became available, no one was charged for it. The government felt it was important that everyone got the vaccine as quickly as possible.

No, I’m not talking about socialized medicine in any way. I’m talking about a treatment that IF IT IS APPROVED AND SUCCESSFUL will be a powerful ability to help in the Covid war.

Why do you want Trump to do nothing to help Americans fight this virus? Why do you think it’s not part of his job to make sure we save every American we possibly can? You are the one making him seem petty and ineffectual as president!
 
I would suggest beginning a thread on “Trump” and taxpayer paying for medications over on that thread please.
 
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FrankFletcher . . .
If it’s still possible that the drug could do more harm than good, the president shouldn’t be touting it as an option.
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Why not?

Drugs that have been approved for years, have new evidence and are removed later from the market.

I don’t understand why you think it is a President’s responsibility to rate drugs accurately according to your standards?
 
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I think it’s the president’s responsibility to find a way for the government to finance doses of a drug that’s been proven to help the majority. If this has yet to be proven, assessments of the president’s recovery should be qualified until such time that it can be proven.
 
FrankFletcher . . .
If this has yet to be proven, assessments of the president’s recovery should be qualified . . .
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They have been qualified.

It was clearly stated that this was an experimental treatment.
 
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