Will most of us go to hell?

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I understood her view as if you did mortal sin even once whatever (repent,reconcilation)you do- you go to hell for sure
 
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If you committed a mortal sin and died with confessing it and being absolved you would go to hell. So he’s not wrong.

But, reconciliation absolves the sin, restores us to God’s grace, and keeps us from receiving the punishment for the sin.
 
So if i confess the sin i go to hell?
Reconcilation and not going to hell?
 
No,because you somehow separated them so i got confussed for a moment
 
The formal name for confession is the sacrament of reconciliation. It’s just commonly referred to as confession because we confess sins to receive that sacrament.
 
Tis_Bearself said:
He’s not unforgiving. We do the best we can and we trust entirely in God’s mercy as St. Therese and St. Faustina said.
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Tis_Bearsewlf,
Thank you.
I agree with you. We must do the best we can. I would prefer the word ‘hope’ for ‘trust’.
Things are the way they are. All we can do is our best and hope ‘all will be well’.
 
Hope is an okay word also. However, I believe St. Therese and St. Faustina specifically said “trust”. St. Therese said that the soul gets just what it expects from God. The stronger our trust in God’s mercy, the more likely it is that we receive it. And she is a Doctor of the Church.
 
joeybaggz said:
"God, I know this action I wish to indulge in (adultery, murder, rape, robbery, theft, blasphemy, idolatry - pick your favorite) is something that gravely offends you.
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Joeybaggz,

If I believe in contraception, miss mass on Sunday or fall in love with the wrong person should I suffer for all time?

A Presbyterian told me he believed in a God who loved him through thick and thin, like his wife who promised to stick by him for his whole life, for better or for worse. She would not reject him, and neither would God. What is the Catholic answer?

If my father and mother forsake me, the LORD will take me up. (Ps. 27:10 NRS)

Can a mother forget her infant, be without tenderness for the child of her womb? Even should she forget, I will never forget you. (Isa. 49:15 NAB)

PJM (27)
The goose may not think the fox is good, but the fox does, and thinks it is right to eat the goose. We see things from a human point of view. God is defined as perfect good, but from our point roasting in hell does not seem good.
Heaven and hell are not personal choices. From Augustine on we know we cannot merit heaven, or do anything of merit without grace.
Again, with respect, you are wrong. Catholics believe God forgives sin, he does not overlook them. We are not considered justified, we are made justified.
 
NoelFitz said:
Elf01

Your opinion is contrary to Catholic teaching
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At face value yes, but I’m applying the teachings on baptism to confession.

We know with baptism
1261 As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus’ tenderness toward children which caused him to say: “Let the children come to me, do not hinder them,” allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism. All the more urgent is the Church’s call not to prevent little children coming to Christ through the gift of holy Baptism.
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CCC #1261

I’m merely thinking that the same may be possible with respect to confession
God has bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism, but he himself is not bound by his sacraments.
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Note sacraments is plural here so it may not apply only to baptism.

CCC #1257
The Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude; this is why she takes care not to neglect the mission she has received from the Lord to see that all who can be baptized are "reborn of water and the Spirit
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CCC #1257

Applying this to confession the means the Church is assured of are either perfect contrition and a resolution to get to confession ASAP or imperfect contrition and confession. I do not think that other means need necessarily be excluded.

Even if that is complete heresy, please somebody correct me if it is, God is all powerful. If he will not save someone with imperfect contrition without confession he has the power to ensure that they do not die without it. Given that he desires the salvation of souls it seems reasonable to assume that he would do this.
 
‘Our chronicles relate an even more dreadful happening. One of our brothers, well-known for his doctrine and holiness, was preaching in Germany. He represented the ugliness of the sin of impurity so forceful that a woman fell dead of sorrow in front of everyone. Then, coming back to life, she said, "When I was presented before the Tribunal of God, sixty thousand people arrived at the same time from all parts of the world; out of that number, three were saved by going to Purgatory, and all the rest were damned.’
St. Leonard of Port Maurice
 
simonjosiah1 said:
sixty thousand people arrived at the same time from all parts of the world; out of that number, three were saved by going to Purgatory, and all the rest were damned.’
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Simonjosiah1

we do not need to believe private revelations.

However your post illustrates a bleak prospect, not showing God as merciful and loving.

A strong influence on my views arose from visiting people in prison. They mostly came from deprived backgrounds and were strongly influenced by their environments. We are not free to form our judgments, as we are influenced by our backgrounds and environment. The idea of our wills being in an isolated system is false.

Our wills are never fully free as we are influenced by the media, friends, enemies, environment, history, inclinations, weather, genes, etc. Also grace, providence, God, angels, demons, etc influence us.

Many of these people I met in prison seemed very similar to the people I know, loving their families, being interested in sport and TV. They did not seem like people who deserved hell.
 
NoelFitz said:
Elf01
You wrtote
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Elf01:
God is all powerful.
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Thus God can save whoever he wants to. If he does not save some, then he is not good, merciful and loving.
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God bless you NoelFitz and God bless every readers of the CAF.
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I agree with you.

We DID NOT create ourselves, we are the way God created us.

It is God’s responsibility to save His creations.

It is not enough that God gives us free will, God obliged to give His creations the proper knowledge which controls the free will properly.

Life everlasting promised to us, (Romans 5:21); but unaided we can do nothing to gain it (Rom.7:18-24).
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Latin
 
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Latin said:
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NoelFitz:
Elf01
You wrtote
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Elf01:
God is all powerful.
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Thus God can save whoever he wants to. If he does not save some, then he is not good, merciful and loving.
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God bless you NoelFitz and God bless every readers of the CAF.
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I agree with you.

We DID NOT create ourselves, we are the way God created us.

It is God’s responsibility to save His creations.

It is not enough that God gives us free will, God obliged to give His creations the proper knowledge which controls the free will properly.

Life everlasting promised to us, (Romans 5:21); but unaided we can do nothing to gain it (Rom.7:18-24).
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Latin
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God provided the Way for us to be saved. His Name is JESUS. It is our responsibility to accept or reject Him, to obey or disobey Him. Our free will choice determines where we spend eternity. God will NEVER force His Will on us. If He did, THAT, imo, would mean He was not merciful or loving. He would be a tyrant. And God, our Loving Father is no tyrant. He is all loving, all merciful, all good.
 
Latin said:
It is not enough that God gives us free will, God obliged to give His creations the proper knowledge which controls the free will properly.
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God gave us EVERYTHING we need to know for our salvation. We know when we slip up and how to get back sanctifying grace through Confession. If we choose to reject God’s love that is on us not God.
 
Latin said:
I agree with you.

We DID NOT create ourselves, we are the way God created us.
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Latin,

I am amazed someone agrees with me. Thanks.

Your post reminded me of Oklahoma!

I’m jist a girl who cain’t say no,
I’m in a turrible fix
I always say “come on, le’s go”
Jist when I orta say nix!

How c’n I be whut I ain’t?
I cain’t say no!

If God wanted to he could show us that it is better to choose the good, rather than do evil.

We know that our sanctification is God’s will, but to claim our will is stronger than God’s is silly.

Elf01
You wrote" It is our responsibility to accept or reject Him", this implies we save ourselves, and it is not God who saves. Grace is needed. We are not Pelagians. On our own we can do nothing of merit. It is God’s grace we need and Jesus is our saviour.

Thistle,
for the vast majority of people who are not Catholic confession is not an option.
 
NoelFitz said:
Lilypadrees,

Thanks for your reply, but it is difficult to understand.

You point out we have free will.

On one side we have God, who is almighty and wants to save us, on the other
side we are there with our evil inclinations, made by God. Which is more
powerful?

If we choose hell we are. Even the mafia can make us an offer we cannot
refuse, but God cannot. Advertisers can convince us to get brand X, but God
cannot convince us to do the good.

Which is more powerful God’s grace, will, providence, love or the devil
with his guiles and ourselves with our weaknesses? It seems God is often
the weaker.
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What is Godly power? How do you know what it is, and how is it exercised by God? What is the relationship (hint hint) between God’s omnipotence and God’s love?
(the cross is the key here…rather than force himself on humanity, Christ goes to his death in sacrifice to our free will to love him back. The offer is still open. to believe means to respond to Gods grace. If you believe he will raise the un-responsove to new life you are mistaken. He will not violate your free will, because that is not love and it is not Godly power. He loves you and respects your free will. )
 
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