Will Orthodox and Catholics Reconcile?

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Well I don’t quite see the Catholics sacking an Orthodox town anytime in the near future (or vise versa).
I was about to make the comment, “I think the Greeks are doing a good job right now sacking their own country, they don’t need any help from the West.” 😃
Although I’d probably say Islamification is a bigger problem in the West than the East. The East already knows what it is to be under the thumb of Islam, the West still has to learn this lesson.
The interesting thing is whereas the East learned it from the top down (wars, invasion, oppression, etc), the west is learning it from the bottom up (immigration, multiculturalism, etc).
 
Oh, East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet,
Till Earth and Sky stand presently at God’s great Judgment Seat.

Catholicism and Orthodoxy need each other, which is why they will remain separate. The one balances the other. Yin and Yang. The two Traditions represent two archetypal and universal forces. Their separation keeps the world in existence; their union means the dissolution of the cosmos.
 
Well I don’t quite see the Catholics sacking an Orthodox town anytime in the near future (or vise versa).

Although I’d probably say Islamification is a bigger problem in the West than the East. The East already knows what it is to be under the thumb of Islam, the West still has to learn this lesson.
Byzantium had lost the will to fight at the time of the Islamic expansion. The west now finds itself in the same boat. The future looks grim indeed. All the more need to have a common banner to gather around.Or maybe a chair?
 
I was about to make the comment, “I think the Greeks are doing a good job right now sacking their own country, they don’t need any help from the West.” 😃
The Greeks are doing it, and the Russians are doing it. Yep, no fear from the East.
The interesting thing is whereas the East learned it from the top down (wars, invasion, oppression, etc), the west is learning it from the bottom up (immigration, multiculturalism, etc).
Time will tell. There does seem to be an increased rejection in PCness for the sake of PCness, but we shall see.
 
Byzantium had lost the will to fight at the time of the Islamic expansion. The west now finds itself in the same boat. The future looks grim indeed. All the more need to have a common banner to gather around.Or maybe a chair?
As it stands now, even a unification of the two Churches would not help the situation. What needs to happen must happen on a secular level.
 
As it stands now, even a unification of the two Churches would not help the situation. What needs to happen must happen on a secular level.
In the west the secular culture is the problem. The secular world offers a happiness based on material wealth. It is promising something that doesn’t exist. People are learning this and they are getting pissed. Crumbling economies are the proof of this lie. Islam is the only system that is offering a real alternative on a governmental level which is why people are embracing it in such large numbers. They see Islam as the only real opposition to the system that failed them. If the secular world offers the only solution then we are all screwed.

As it stands I am a citizen of the only Christian nation on earth, the Vatican. Now it’s sovereignty is being challenged and the complete secularization of the west appears to be imminent. Like I said, it doesn’t bode well. Followers of Christ need a banner to gather around to resist this plague. In the eyes the secular and Islamic world the Pope is the main representative of Christianity. Imagine if all Christians once again united under him. That would be world changing on an epic level. Alas, not likley to happen.😦
 
I read this entire thread and found no mention of the dilemma that the change in Orthodox moral teachings will surely have on reunification efforts.

Some or all of the Orthodox Churches permit three marriages, two divorces – and contraception (including the abortifacient Pill?), which was not allowed for centuries.

No one speaks for Orthodoxy as a whole. Each patriarch is in charge of his own ethnic, national Church. Reunification, if it occurs, will of necessity be with each separate Orthodox Church; i.e. Russian, Greek, Romanian, etc., one at a time.

I considered Orthodoxy but rejected it for these reasons (and a couple more). I couldn’t believe Jesus, who was God, didn’t make anyone the top boss. You know – “The buck stops here.” 😃

Jim Dandy
 
That there exist theological differences between Eastern Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism is undeniable - that is why I said that if there ever will be reunification, it will not happen in our lifetime. There would have to be some sacrifice on either party’s part. This was tried a long time ago and wholeheartedly rejected, therefore it will not be an overnight resolution.
 
Does anyone think they will? I doubt Catholics will negotiate their belief in papal infallibility and the Pope’s primacy and I don’t think the Orthodox will want to negotiate many things as well. Does anyone think it’s a lost cause? Another problem lies in the Filioque

EDIT: I also feel that if it comes to these group being reunited, I believe the Orthodox will be the ones who will have to risk more. How does that make the Orthodox feel?
I don’t think the average Orthodox or Catholic has any interest in reunification. My empirical observation is that a lot of Orthodox are not positively disposed to anything Catholic.
 
I read this entire thread and found no mention of the dilemma that the change in Orthodox moral teachings will surely have on reunification efforts.
Orthodox moral teachings are the same as when we were in communion, over 1000 years ago.

That makes them ancient Catholic moral teachings.
Some or all of the Orthodox Churches permit three marriages, two divorces – and contraception (including the abortifacient Pill?), which was not allowed for centuries.
Here you are wrong.

NFP is birth control.

Abortion and abortifactant methods are forbidden.

A second marriage may be allowed to the wronged/abandoned party. It is not done in the same way, the ceremony is more penitential in character (but the family is plugged into church life, and still has a chance to grow in faith - children have a chance to grow in a Christian family made whole and not seemingly abandoned by the church) and this is an expression of economia, it is also not a right, but a concession out of charity. A third possible marriage, very rare even today, only in the event of a death.

These are ancient practices, probably mostly used by the nobility in ancient times, much as nobilty in western Europe often secured annulments.
 
I don’t think the average Orthodox or Catholic has any interest in reunification. My empirical observation is that a lot of Orthodox are not positively disposed to anything Catholic.
That is sad. I would love to see the Catholic and Orthodox Churches reunited together as once Church. We are all Children of God and Brothers/Sisters of Christ who desire the same thing, the Kingdom of Heaven for all souls. Therefore, there is no reason not to be reunited. If we could only resolve the issues that separate us we would be well on our way! 😃

I am only an average 18 year old Catholic and very interested in reunification! 🙂
 
Compared to the Islamization of western Europe as well? 😉 I think both sides will need each other in the coming centuries. I don’t see them being unified like in the good ol’ days before the 11th century, but reconciliation can at least soften the previous years.
That’s a good point which I didn’t necessarily exclude from my post, as Orthodox and Catholic Europeans are both contracepting themselves into oblivion.

Orthodox, for their own good reasons, aren’t as “reunification happy” as Catholics, at least that’s what I gather from the good Orthodox folks here on this forum.
 
If the Orthodox didn’t wish ‘re-unification’ (which is impossible, anyway, since the Church is always One) in 1453, then they sure don’t wish it now.
 
If the Orthodox didn’t wish ‘re-unification’ (which is impossible, anyway, since the Church is always One) in 1453, then they sure don’t wish it now.
I can certainly understand what you are saying here.

I must also say that if we merged our churches it wouldn’t be a RE-unification, it would be a certain type of unification for the first time ever.

I would be satisfied if we were able to share communion and our hierarchs could concelebrate, which to me would be much more like the situation as it was in the early centuries. We would be One as in the early church.

Of course, there are still a few prerequisites before we can acheive the elusive goal.
 
SSTeacher;6949073:
Perhaps you should consider setting the question of which doctrines
to one side and come back to it after you’ve given thought to the question of whose authority?I don’t know how to do that. Make it easy for me. Tell me the reasons why aren’t you an Evangelical any more and why do you think the Orthodox Church has authority and the Catholic Church doesn’t? And you’re a teacher so can you do it in one paragraph without lecturing me? 😃
I left Evangelical Christianity because the Sunday morning worship service had become a show with the focus entirely on the people participating. I went on to consider the question of Authority and that led me carefully to examine the truth claims of the Catholic Church together with the truth claims of the Orthodox Church. Eventually, I concluded that the latter contains the fullness of truth. However, it isn’t my contention that the Catholic Church has no authority. I just don’t recognize its authority. 🙂

Cordially,
Mick
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