Will Pope Francis Invite Lutherans into an Ordinariate?

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JonNC said:
I think it would more correctly be said that most Lutherans recognize the pope’s primacy, not supremacy, as the confessions make clear.

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Yes, of course, poor choice of words.

The elevation of Francis gives many Lutherans hope.
 
Quote: “I wouldn’t say the LCMS is not liturgical-minded.”

My apologies, JonNC and the LCMS. I never let my ignorance slow me down from posting.
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I hope it’s the LCMS.

Even though the ELCA has a big history here in Minnesota, they’ve adopted practices that would give your friendly neighborhood orthodox Catholic a coronary like adopting gay priests, gay marriage and women’s priests. They won’t change that just to be with Rome, trust me.
 
Hi Jon…but remember, if we were in same town…

I would not see you on Sundays…why the separation and then we cannot share coffee and donuts together.
 
KathleenGee said:
Hi Jon…but remember, if we were in same town…

I would not see you on Sundays…why the separation and then we cannot share coffee and donuts together.
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Alas, doctrine. But perhaps coffee and donuts after His meal together is not too far off, as the Spirit wills.

Jon
 
JonNC said:
Alas, doctrine. But perhaps coffee and donuts after His meal together is not too far off, as the Spirit wills.

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But Jon, there are many Catholics & Lutherans who do share the most blessed sacrament. I can not even recall the numerous times when we worship together. Maybe it is an East Coast thing but I begun communing with Roman Catholics regularly at Valparaiso both in the chapel and in religious communities over 40 yrs ago.
 
EvangelCatholic said:
The Vatican has been in discussion for some time of acknowledging a Lutheran expression in the Roman Catholic church. Came across this article from last year:

zenit.org/en/articles/progressives-and-traditionalists-suffer-from-the-same-ailment

"Could there be an Ordinariate for former Lutherans in a way similar to those for former Anglicans?

It is hard for me to see how. Perhaps it could be possible.

From CWN:

The president of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity said in an interview that the Vatican would entertain a hypothetical proposal by Lutherans to establish ecclesial structures modeled on the ordinariates developed for Anglican communities that wish to enter into full communion with the Holy See.

“Anglicanorum coetibus was not an initiative of Rome, but came from the Anglican church,” said Cardinal Kurt Koch, referring to the 2009 papal document that established the ordinariates. “The Holy Father then sought a solution and, in my opinion, found a very broad solution, in which the Anglicans’ ecclesial and liturgical traditions were taken into ample consideration. If similar desires are expressed by the Lutherans, then we will have to reflect on them. However, the initiative is up to the Lutherans.”

Cardinal Koch also said that both “‘progressives and traditionalists suffer from the same ailment”: a refusal to interpret the Second Vatican Council with a hermeneutic of “renewal in continuity.”

“Both see the Council equally as a break, even if in a very different way,” he said. “The Holy Father has questioned this understanding of the conciliar hermeneutics of the break and proposed the hermeneutics of reform, which unites continuity and renewal.”

Benedict XVI is the Pope of Christian Unity".
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PE Benedict made it clear that the formation of the Anglican Ordinariate was the idea of Anglicans. There was a desire of many Anglicans to become Catholic, so they approached the Holy Father about it. He also said for a Lutheran Ordinariate to be established the same thing would need to happen in their denomination
 
codefro said:
PE Benedict made it clear that the formation of the Anglican Ordinariate was the idea of Anglicans. There was a desire of many Anglicans to become Catholic, so they approached the Holy Father about it. He also said for a Lutheran Ordinariate to be established the same thing would need to happen in their denomination
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Quite true. Lutheran outreach is encouraged by the Vatican. The presiding bishop of the ELCA and archbishops in Europe want unity among Christians. Lutherans have formed a union with Anglicans/ Episcopalians that recognizes ministry/ holy orders. For example an Episcopalian or European Lutheran bishop is present at the consecration/ installation of American bishops; regular inter-communion events/ eucharists. ELCA synods participate/ join in on Candlemass [Presentation of our Lord & Purification of the blessed Virgin Mary] w/ Episcopalian/ Roman Catholics for the mutual blessing of the holy oils.

Rome must approach unity in disguise.
 
No. Even Francis has shown antipathy toward Benedict’s attempt to evangelize Anglicans. The Walsingham ordinariate has been a failure.
 
JonNC said:
Agreed.

Agreed again. Would the ELCA be willing to give up women’s ordination, or that of openly practicing gays?

As should all Lutherans, according to the confessions.

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I believe that Lutherans believe and use the Nicene Creed where it says “consubstantial with the Father.” When it comes to the Mass, and the Consecration, Lutherans do not use “Transubstantiation.” They use “Consubstantiation.”
 
rtblepo56 said:
I believe that Lutherans believe and use the Nicene Creed where it says “consubstantial with the Father.” When it comes to the Mass, and the Consecration, Lutherans do not use “Transubstantiation.” They use “Consubstantiation.”
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Please see my signature at the bottom. Lutherans reject consubstantiation.
Jon
 
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