Will statues of Jesus be torn down and removed? After this was asked, a call is going out for this exact thing

[Freddy]

I suspect that if you honestly appraised your time usage, you would find that you are here talking about God more than you spend with your family.
Seriously…look at your time usage. It’s pretty difficult to hide.

Looking at the summary it approximates to something like a half hour per day ‘read time’. So let’s be generous and say an hour a day. And almost invariably that’s late in the evening when the better half has hit the sack (most posters are in the US and I’m in Australia). Me typing this in the late morning here is quite rare.

Do you work? If you do then your useage is a greater proportion of your free time than mine. Which anyway is neither here nor there. I think we all spend more time on following our own interests than we do actually spending quality time with our loved ones.

 

[Dario_Western]

I don’t see anything wrong with vandalizing people’s graves who were murderers or sex offenders. That’s what happened with Jimmy Savile’s grave about a year after he died, when all his sexual transgressions became mainstream media knowledge after having been suppressed by the BBC for years.

He was a vile, disgusting man underneath the charitable and pious exterior he exuded throughout his life as well as being a practicing Catholic.

 

[commenter]

Vandalizing a grave doesn’t hurt the dead person. It hurts the family members, the public, and most of all the humanity of the vandal. This is especially true when there is more than one vandal. The inhumanity of one brings out the inhumanity of the other.

A child who is allowed, or even encouraged to torture animals will in the long run do things to people. Even more so when there is a group.

 

[phil19034]

I don’t see anything wrong with vandalizing people’s graves who were murderers or sex offenders

No. This is still bad because it hurts the FAMILY. The Family (not the dead person) paid for the grave. No matter how bad a person was, they typically do have family members who still loved them for who they once were.

Vandalizing a grave is a crime against the innocent (the family), not an attack against the person.

Even murderers & sex offenders were once someone’s child. Plus, you have NO IDEA if they honestly repentented for their sins before they died.

I don’t care how bad a person was, we should leave the dead alone.

 

[Dolphin]

People I don’t think are mad there is a Jesus statue. They are mad the Jesus statues are always white and not historically accurate to his skin tone

 

[BlueMaxx]

C.Ray:

phil19034:

Honestly… how can Easter and Christmas be “tools of white supremacy”???

“White Supremacy” = Western Civilization.

Yeap… and what did Western Civilization bring to the world?

• Democracy & the idea of a Republic
• Hospitals
• Universities
• electricity
• the light bulb
• the telephone
• iPhones
• Aristotle, Plato, St. Augustine, St. Thomas Aquinas, Cicero, Socrates, etc
• the airplane
• train travel
• the automobile
• space exploration & the inventions that have come out of that
• solar power & LED lights which are today used in many poor parts of the world so people can have light at night
• human rights for women
• labor laws
• outlawing slavery (it was done once in Europe centuries ago, then again in the 19th century) – NOTE: in some parts of the world, slavery still exists: Slavery Still Exists In These 6 Countries And More

Sure, there has been some bad things too. Like the two world wars & the negative aspects of colonialism. But overall, Western Civilization has done a LOT of good for the world.

Saul Alinsky’s rules for radicals says to hold your enemy’s rules (moral, ethics & values) against them. So the enemy’s of Western Civilization use our mistakes to judge all of society. Yes, we are not perfect people. We often fail to meet our Western ideals. However, I would argue that Western ideals (which are based on Judeo-Christian morality + Roman & Greek ingenuity) has been a driving force for good (and God) in the world (overall).

You forgot one of the most important ones…

Air Conditioning…

 

[BlueMaxx]

To add, do not be distressed over any of this…just pray…

20 He that giveth testimony of these things, saith, Surely I come quickly: Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.

21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

I don’t see anything wrong with vandalizing people’s graves who were murderers or sex offenders.

I completely agree with @phil19034 response to this and would add that as Catholics Jesus instructed us to pray for and bless our enemies and those that hurt us, so I would say as Catholics we would be better to pray for that person’s soul. If they are in purgatory, no matter how vile they were, they will appreciate our prayers and in turn pray for us. Also, we are to forgive others as Christ forgave us and for Christ to forgive us.

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[MagdalenaRita]

I will NOT forgive rapists or child abusers. They deserve to burn in hell forever.

None of us deserve heaven. We are all sinners. We all deserve hell because of our sin. It is because of Christ and his passion, death and resurrection that any of us have eternal life.
That said, Jesus says in Matthew 6: For if you will forgive men their offences, your heavenly Father will forgive you also your offences.But if you will not forgive men, neither will your Father forgive you your offences.

This is why there is such a major backlash against the Catholic church at the moment. We must NEVER be apologists for sex offenders in our movement.

I think you are confusing being an apologist FOR sex offenders with being an apologist for the great mercy of God, that with repentance from the sinner and the sacraments, even vile crimes can be forgiven.

He also said in Matthew 12: Therefore I say to you: Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but the blasphemy of the Spirit shall not be forgiven.

One has to repent and turn away from sin but mercy is for everyone.

 

[BlueMaxx]

Sorry not sorry, but I will NOT forgive rapists or child abusers. They deserve to burn in hell forever. This is why there is such a major backlash against the Catholic church at the moment. We must NEVER be apologists for sex offenders in our movement.

Didn’t Jesus teach: “It is better for a person to have a millstone tied around their neck and DROWNED in the depths of the ocean than to cause a child to lose faith in me” in three of the gospels?

There are many who have suffered this abuse and have forgiven their abuser.
That is the kind of forgiveness Jesus was trying to get through to us.

Love not Hate…Hate the sin, not the sinner…

 

[ThinkingSapien]

This article reveals that a Black Lives Matter leader said that white statues of Jesus should come down. “And all murals and stained glass windows of white Jesus, and his European mother, and their white friends should also come down.”

Many people part of the BLM movement have no association with the organization of the same name. The people that lead the organization are not the people that lead the movement. I know that both using the same name can be confusing.

Imagine that someone here decided to create a new non profit and called their organization “civil rights.” While it has the same name, the leader of that non-profit does not then become the leader of the civil rights movement.

 

[phil19034]

People I don’t think are mad there is a Jesus statue. They are mad the Jesus statues are always white and not historically accurate to his skin tone

Jesus’s skin tone was most likely very similar to that of native peoples from Greece and Lebanon.

He most likely did not look like the Arabs who moved into Palestine, nor the Ottoman Turks who moved into Turkey.

He may not have had long, flowing, light brown hair; but he most likely may have easily passed for a Greek or Roman Citizen (like St. Paul).

 

[MagdalenaRita]

Jesus condoned drowning for child abusers.

The Bible states “Hate what is evil”.

You missed some of that passage:

Let love be genuine; hate what is evil, hold fast to what is good; love one another with brotherly affection; outdo one another in showing honor. Never flag in zeal, be aglow with the Spirit, serve the Lord. Rejoice in your hope, be patient in tribulation, be constant in prayer. Contribute to the needs of the saints, practice hospitality. Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse them.

Jesus condoned drowning for child abusers.

Your missing some of that passage also and misunderstanding it:

It would be better for him if a millstone were hung round his neck and he were cast into the sea, than that he should cause one of these little ones to sin. 3 Take heed to yourselves; if your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him; 4 and if he sins against you seven times in the day, and turns to you seven times, and says, ‘I repent,’ you must forgive him

Crimes deserve justly applied punishment here on Earth but that does not mean we seek revenge or refuse to forgive or damage their tombstones. It only harms their family.

 

[phil19034]

Sorry not sorry, but I will NOT forgive rapists or child abusers. They deserve to burn in hell forever. This is why there is such a major backlash against the Catholic church at the moment. We must NEVER be apologists for sex offenders in our movement.

Didn’t Jesus teach: “It is better for a person to have a millstone tied around their neck and DROWNED in the depths of the ocean than to cause a child to lose faith in me” in three of the gospels?

Rapists & sex offenders deserve to be punished in jail.

But once they are dead, they are in God’s hands, not ours. If their family pays for a tombstone, then it should not be damaged.

Let me ask you a hypothetical question:

• Let’s say an 25 year old, gang member is killed by a rival gang. However, he had also been known for raping women.

Do you think the family would be happy with you destroying the tomb stone that they paid for? I doubt it.

I don’t care how bad the person is, he/she was someone’s child. If his/her family pay for a tombstone, it is not for others to destroy.

 

[phil19034]

I am not one of those people. Re-read what I stated before: Jesus condoned drowning for child abusers.

No he didn’t. He said said it would have been better for them to have drowned (with a millstone around their neck) than what will happen to them in Hell. In other words drowning (as horrible as it is) would be a better fate than eternity in Hell. However, that doesn’t mean that we should commit a mortal sin in response. Destroying a tombstone that we didn’t pay for is a crime against the family of the deceased, and a crime against the family that paid for it.

The Bible states “Hate what is evil”.

Hating evil doesn’t give us license to commit acts of hate & evil ourselves. Vandalizing a tombstone is a sin, period. Doesn’t matter who the person was.

 

[BlueMaxx]

I am not one of those people. Re-read what I stated before: Jesus condoned drowning for child abusers.

The Bible states “Hate what is evil”.

Right He said:

6 But he that shall scandalize one of these little ones that believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone should be hanged about his neck, and that he should be drowned in the depth of the sea.

He is not saying go drown them, He is telling us that at the final judgment it would have been better had he been dropped in the sea.…not for us to go out and as a lynch mob cast the sinner into the sea.

He is referring to the punishment an unrepentant person would receive at the final judgment…

The children are there to show us the innocence, and the perpetrator our capacity for evil and the terror of not repenting.
The Beatitudes is a good place to start.

For if you have no capacity for forgiveness in your own heart, how should you expect to have forgiveness for your own sin?

 

[BlessedYoungCatholic]

First of all Jesus was Judean from Galilee. So he is middle eastern and so is his blessed mother. Secondly If they do it is a direct attack on the first Amendment right of many americans. This nation was created under God which is written in our constitution which means our founding fathers had a deep respect for God. As a colored person this isn’t about racism anymore, this is about pushing against long held, Valuable Traditions that built this country. This isn’t at all like the civil rights movement. This isn’t what Martin Luther king wanted.

 

[Freddy]

First of all Jesus was Judean from Galilee. So he is middle eastern and so is his blessed mother. Secondly If they do it is a direct attack on the first Amendment right of many americans. This nation was created under God which is written in our constitution which means our founding fathers had a deep respect for God.

‘Under God’ appears in the Declaration of Independence. Not in the constitution. And most of the founding fathers were deists.

 

[BlessedYoungCatholic]

. George Washington was an Anglican and John Adams was a Unitarian and many more were affiliated with a religion but that argument is beside the point I am trying to make

 

[Freddy]

. George Washington was an Anglican and John Adams was a Unitarian and many more were affiliated with a religion but that argument is beside the point I am trying to make

I think it is. But I just felt that your last comment needed to be corrected.