Will statues of Jesus be torn down and removed? After this was asked, a call is going out for this exact thing

[JoeFreedom]

I got banned from this very board for 10 days for saying that I stood with God and anyone who stood with / agreed with the destruction of churches, statues of Jesus and Mary were doing so against good and against God. So yeah, I absolutely believe we are in a time where we must choose and if we choose God, we will pay for it.

 

[Anrakyr]

I got banned from this very board for 10 days for saying that I stood with God and anyone who stood with / agreed with the destruction of churches, statues of Jesus and Mary were doing so against good and against God. So yeah, I absolutely believe we are in a time where we must choose and if we choose God, we will pay for it.

I got banned for saying if we know the statues are incorrect they should be replaced.

Starting to wonder if the process in completely automated.

 

[JoeFreedom]

I have to ask you a question. And since internet comments do not convey context well, I want to be upfront and say my asking is simply to understand and places no judgment. You have said (and I have read) in other posts by you, that you are (or were) a Knight (of Columbus), yet your profile says your religion is Norse. Can you please explain?

 

[Anrakyr]

My mother like many boomers were not up to date on medical or emotional health. I say this not as an accusation but as a statement of fact. What is her fault when I was struggling in school priests begged her to have me tested. She relented but only in so far to get a test, a rough diagnosis and called it a day.

I was autistic but she didn’t know. The doctor said there was more then possible ADHD but needed more time.

I was forced to kneel on gravel, stand for hours in the sun, I’ve been grounded for longer then anyone should sanely be and struck til my noes bled.

When I finally left home my faith waivered. I want to be Catholic but time and again I see leaders double down on being wrong rather then listen to facts.

I’ve been a knight since I was 18, I fell from the church when I was twenty five. I still have my sword however.

I’m a Norse Pagan for complicated reasons. I was an atheist for years but I’ve found more answers here then in Rome.

Hope that helps.

 

[annem]

I stood with God and anyone who stood with / agreed with the destruction of churches, statues of Jesus and Mary were doing so against good and against God.

I agree with you

In addition, I find it astonishing that secularists and atheists imagine they can dictate to a religious person what kind of statues we can put in our churches. We should be able to put anything that is meaningful to us. period.

 

[Maximian]

Im sure that this will not deter certain people on CAF from making excuses for BLM and defending the indefensible.

 

[Anrakyr]

In addition, I find it astonishing that secularists and atheists imagine they can dictate to a religious person what kind of statues we can put in our churches. We should be able to put anything that is meaningful to us. period.

Allow me to put something in context for you;
If you had said Columbus was a great Spaniard I’d correct you. Not to undermine your freedom of speech or your right to speak but because you are wrong.

Likewise in the case given that public iconography can shape public opinion maybe we should consider a non white holy family.

It’s historically accurate, it keeps the peace and elevates perspective.

It’s a win all round.

 

[annem]

Catholics have statues of Our Lady in China that look Chinese; they have statues in Mexico of Our Lady looking Mexican, and they have statues in northern Europe of Our Lady with blond hair.

So, would you please explain why secularists and atheists have any right to decide what statues we find meaningful in our churches?

 

[Anrakyr]

I’m not saying you should or they should force you. I’m saying why not get out ahead of it.

 

[annem]

Because to deny us our civil rights is wrong. Why do you think atheists and secularists get to dictate what is meaningful to us?

 

[JoeFreedom]

Thanks. We’ve had our differences, but I will pray you find peace and pray that you find your answers with God and hope you eventually come back to the Church. Sorry for all the sufferings you’ve had in your life. We all have them. I won’t share mine, too painful. We each deal with them differently though. It is the human condition.

 

[Anrakyr]

Because to deny us our civil rights is wrong. Why do you think atheists and secularists get to dictate what is meaningful to us?

I didn’t say they should smash anything I’m saying you should get out ahead.

 

[annem]

It doesn’t matter whether you, or Shaun King, or anyone, tells us to smash the statues, or simply put them out of the way. It is outrageous to demand that we do anything such thing. It is a clear denial of our civil rights. We of course should be allowed to put statues in our churches that are spiritually meaningful to us. Please feel free to put statues in your churches that are meaningful to you.

 

[Anrakyr]

It doesn’t matter whether you, or Shaun King, or anyone, tells us to smash the statues, or simply put them out of the way. It is outrageous to demand that we do anything such thing.

I didn’t demand I said you (plural) should get out ahead of the curve.

Please feel free to put statues in your churches that are meaningful to you.

I don’t use statues.

 

[annem]

I didn’t demand I said you (plural) should get out ahead of the curve.

There is no curve to get around. At all. Demanding that Catholics only be allowed to portray statues in a way that is meaningful to you is wrong, and a violation of our civil rights. Catholics of course must be allowed to portray statues in a way that is symbolic and meaningful to them.

 

[Anrakyr]

Demanding that Catholics only be allowed to portray statues in a way that is meaningful to you is wrong, and a violation of our civil rights.

Okay you keep saying demanding so I’m going to kill the use of that word so you stop harping on it cause we are not getting anywhere.

I can demand you do anything, forcing you is a completely different animal. Demanding doesn’t infringe on your rights because at the end of the day its just sounds you can ignore. If you don’t want to hear it, close your door.

No that said the curve is social change. Bell bottoms are no longer in style but was a factor of taste. As it stands its currently becoming politically insensitive to display a person in iconography by bleaching away their ethnicity.

So getting ahead of the curve is volunteering before churches, factories are required too by public pressure of political point.

No one is asking you to give up the statues you have however you may find (lest hypothetically) for the next few years there won’t be anymore white Jesus and Mary at your local christian book store.
Bare minimum I expect most factories to avoid the backlash may refuse to make any.

Now to throw you a bone should this happen? Id argue most people should be galaxy brained enough to not care either way but collectively people are stupid. You can only sell a crowd one idea at a time at a rally and you have to dumb down everything to the lowest common denominator nationally/globally.

So while you shouldn’t have to for the rest of the human race to grow past it it may just be easier to roll with it because its not a hill worth dying on.

At the end of the day a statue is a statue, what it represents is more important then what it is. Marble, wood, unpainted or painted, dark or light. The importance is recognizing what it is and right now people need to see Jesus as a brown man.

 

[annem]

Demanding doesn’t infringe on your rights because at the end of the day its just sounds you can ignore.

Sorry, but that is not how things have worked out in the last few centuries,.

Recall the pitiless French leftist revolutionaries and the vast thousands of Catholics guillotined, the priests they starved to death, shot, etc., the Mexican leftist revolutionaries and how they kept murdering priests, the Spanish leftist revolutionaries and the nuns they raped, the priests tortured and killed, the people murdered, etc., the Soviet and Chinese leftists and how they slaughtered millions upon millions upon millions. When Russia invaded the Ukraine, there were thousands of Catholic priests; within five years, only two were left alive.

It is not even how things have worked out for the last few years. At this moment the leftists in America are demanding, threatening, rioting, looting, committing arson, throwing bricks, forcing people from their jobs, cancelling books and art and history.

*right now people need to see Jesus as a brown man

Our Lady of Kibeho is African, and a black Our Lady. It is nothing less than hate speech to insist Africans cannot portray Our Lady as she appeared. to them.

Id argue most people should be galaxy brained enough to not care either way but collectively people are stupid.

Sorry, but there is reason “to care either way”. I am sorry to hear you have not the smallest idea of some of the profound and important symbolism in Catholic art.’

Many Catholic statues show Jesus and Mary holding hearts, actions that never occurred, but represent contrition, burning love and piety. Clouds in the heavens symbolize the unseen God. Violets near Mary may never have been present in ancient Israel but are symbols of Mary’s humility. Representations of Our Lord and Our Lady show them with halos, or wearing luxurious clothing as representative of their status.

These great truths, and historic symbols will continue, as Catholics will continue to derive meaning from them, although the leftists may, indeed, burn or vandalize Catholic art.

All we can do is hope and pray that they will not demolish the majority of western art. Not to mention books. Western culture may not survive.

 

[Anrakyr]

Sorry, but that is not how things have worked out in the last few centuries,.

You are not listening. I can demand all day, forcing you is different. Demanding doesn’t compel you anymore then me screaming at a wall to move. You don’t have to do anything. We are not talking about a government order, we are talking about people conforming to the politics of the time. They can if they so chose too just not.

These great truths, and historic symbols will continue, as Catholics will continue to derive meaning from them, although the leftists may, indeed, burn or vandalize Catholic art.

All we can do is hope and pray that they will not demolish the majority of western art. Not to mention books. Western culture may not survive.

You do know that the right has done just as much right? pointing out the left only creates otherness.

 

[annem]

You do know that the right has done just as much right? pointing out the left only creates otherness.

In the last century, count the dead by the right. Then count the dead by the left.

 

[Anrakyr]

Its ironically more or less equal. About 22 thousand people are killed by extremist each year ranging from religious to ideological. While its hard to get exact numbers because telling whether a black man was lynched because he’s black or the crime that magically deserved a sever beating is a bit hazy.

Both sides kill, don’t pretend otherwise. When you make only one the “worst” even if it maybe ahead in the slaughter you miss the point of stopping the extremist in your own school of thought.