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Krisdun
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Could it provide a means to build greater unity between the Catholic and Orthodox churches?
I doubt it. The various Orthodox churches generally have better and closer relations with the Western church as a (predominantly) Latin whole than with their corresponding Eastern Catholic particular churches. I don’t see how an EC pope would necessarily improve anything.Could it provide a means to build greater unity between the Catholic and Orthodox churches?
I think it is naive to ascribe a unity of pure purpose to all the Cardinals. In the past–and no doubt today too–where a Pope is from, which might affect where his political interests lie, was a huge deal–French and Italians especially used to do all they could to get their man in there rather than the other’s. Plus, even with pure, upright intentions, where someone is from–which shapes his experiences–can be an important element of them doing the best job depending on the circumstances.They don’t select a pope on the basis of his country of origin. They didn’t say “Let’s try a Pole,” or “It’s time we had a German,” or “How about somebody from Argentina?” Each pope was chosen because a majority of the College of Cardinals thought he was the best man for the job.
Probably not. Orthodox Church is somewhat opposed to Eastern Catholicism- especially to “Uniatism”. Those who leave Orthodox Church who come into Catholic Church in Orthodox view commit schism and accept Latinization. While currently relations might be better, Orthodoxy used to hate on Eastern Catholicism a lot in past centuries.Could it provide a means to build greater unity between the Catholic and Orthodox churches?
Perhaps but I doubt Eastern Patriarchs would accept Papacy in current situation… and in the end that was never how Eastern Patriarchs worked. Being Pope is not “promotion” for them. And there are not many other Eastern Cardinals outside Eastern Patriarchs. I once thought this might solve the Schism but now I am not too sure.Could be in 50+ years time not necessarily in the immediate future
So there are such things as “popish plots” :crazy_face:On a side note, if you want Eastern Rite Pope there is a somewhat conspiracy-themed solution.
While tempting, that would probably cause majority of Orthodoxy to just view him as leaving Orthodox Church… not to mention Traditional Catholics leaving because electing non-Catholic Pope is invalid…Simply have the current Pope resign and let Patriarch Bartholomew fulfill his dreams of total domination of the Church. He could be both Pope of Rome and Patriarch of Constantinople, thus uniting in personal union the Latin and Greek Churches.![]()
Oh I base half my imagination on their presence!So there are such things as “popish plots” :crazy_face:![]()
May I propose a more realistic version?
Simply have the current Pope resign and let Patriarch Bartholomew fulfill his dreams of total domination of the Church. He could be both Pope of Rome and Patriarch of Constantinople, thus uniting in personal union the Latin and Greek Churches.![]()
I jest, but with a dark hint of truth hidden in the laughter.Surely you jest! Bartholomew wouldn’t even think of being Pope and Patriarch at the same time.
This document is one of the great points of contention that is the groundwork for the Constantinople-Moscow Schism with the powers claimed by HH Patriarch Bartholomew in dispute by the entire Orthodox Church. Because if he has the powers ascribed in the document then he can grant autocephaly to the Ukrainian Church, if no then autocephaly lies with the mother church, the Moscow Patriarchate…I don’t think I’ve heard that one.
They probably forgot that Kiev was a thriving metropolis when St. Vladimir accepted the Catholic Faith and was baptized in 988 (66 years before the Great Schism in 1054). Moscow was a little village that no one ever heard of in the 10th century. It wasn’t until the last Byzantine princess married the Grand Duke of Muscovy in the 15th century that Moscow started calling itself the Third Rome.Because if he has the powers ascribed in the document then he can grant autocephaly to the Ukrainian Church, if no then autocephaly lies with the mother church, the Moscow Patriarchate…