WILLIAMS: Socialist Promises

[DENNYINMI]

they are not the exact same mfg jobs, but they pay much better than service jobs.

Trump has saved what’s left of the coal industry. The Obama regs would have continued to drive closures and bankruptcies. No, it’s not coming back to earlier levels since Natural Gas is a better alternative.

Right on the first sentence, and right on the last. However, the regulations were geared towards environmental protection and while implementing safety standards they protected the worker as well.

I value my drinking water, the air my grandchildren breathe, and the ground my food grows from.

To go back to the days of high-end pollution goes against the laws of God, nature, animals and universal life.

 

[Theo520]

You haven’t shown me where I’m wrong on anything.

The days of high end pollution was about lack of pollution control, we’d fixed that by the 80’s

 

[DENNYINMI]

The days of high end pollution was about lack of pollution control, we’d fixed that by the 80’s

Anything we’ve fixed was done out of necessity through regulation.

Tell a profitable company that they will be required to dispose of waste responsibly, that’s a regulation.

It’s you who needs to tell me why that should be rolled back.

Sure they don’t like it. It’s cheaper for the vulture capitalist (a drain on society) to take a dump wherever they want…Including our rivers and streams…

edited for our air too…Regulatory requirements for the environment are a good thing.

 

[Theo520]

This page will clearly show you how Trump has saved coal industry.
Just run the chart for past 10 yrs and you can see how the downward spiral stopped when Trump took office and reversed the Obama EPA regs.

BLS Data Viewer

The BLS Data Finder allows for search across all BLS time series databases.

beta.bls.gov

Anything we’ve fixed was done out of necessity through regulation.

regulation is almost always a reactive response, stop playing with your strawman that conservatives hate all regulation. Trump didn’t cancel all regs on coal, just the inane Obama ones.

 

[DENNYINMI]

regulation is almost always a reactive response

my line. Name one time (just one) when it was pro-active and not done out of necessity. Just one.

You can’t.

 

[Theo520]

my line. Name one time (just one) when it was pro-active and not done out of necessity. Just one.

You can’t.

Obama’s EPA regs were done without cause and were largely completely impractical. Same for his ridiculous MPG regs.

Plenty of other regs are implemented to benefit a particular industry or producer over another and only use reaction as a guise.

 

[DENNYINMI]

Declining air pollution levels started somewhere and dissing the Obama EPA regulation on lowering gas emissions by the year 2025 was not unrealistic, it is similar.

It started somewhere, and the uprisings were similar to those that deny the effects on our climate and are not different than what we see today.

The same people complain and the same people will loose the argument.

For good reason. We weren’t instructed to maintain our environment simply because all that God made was good. We were instructed to maintain it because all that God made is fragile and subject to destruction, hence HIs admonishment for the care of it.

We’ve been warned to slow down and we have the know how to make it happen without it being synonymous with being nonproductive. Not overnight, but similar to the way we reduced air pollution.

 

[DENNYINMI]

This page will clearly show you how Trump has saved coal industry.

And they’ll be one hundred other “pages” that will show you how an antiquated coal company opened only to convert from coal fired plants to run on gas.

Coal has seen its day and I’m not sorry. Have a good nite.

 

[upant]

And you may meet HIm sooner than you think.

6 No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

Your “reasons” for not worrying …

the bottom line is you are wrong. we will not wipe man off the face of the earth with climate change.

So will it be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left.

This wouldn’t have anything to do with coal

china under obama’s paris accord executive order is allowed to continue to build coal plants until 2030. it was a globalization scheme nothing more.

yes the climate is changing but is it excessive, is it man-made and can it be stopped? the science has been bought and paid for by both sides.

 

[DENNYINMI]

the bottom line is you are wrong.

the bottom line is you are wrong to ignore the numerous passages telling you that the land belongs to HIm, (how dare we exploit it) and the time will come to render an account of its management. There is no way we are not going to reap what we sow, He will not be mocked!~

Christ will return when He chooses, no one knows the hour or the day yet this does not mean we can do whatever we wish in the meantime, foolishness compiled with greed and consumerism has bewitched us.

NOR DOES the knowledge of not knowing the hour or the day allow free use and exploitation without consideration for his creatures and the COMMAND for good stewardship of the land He has given us.

This is earth is not a corporations playground.

And I brought you into a plentiful land to enjoy its fruits and its good things. But when you came in, you defiled my land and made my heritage an abomination.

 

[upant]

the bottom line is you are wrong to ignore the numerous passages telling you that the land belongs to HIm, (how dare we exploit it) and the time will come to render an account of its management. There is no way we are not going to reap what we sow, He will not be mocked!~

excuse me. I didn’t declare anything except that man will not die from climate change. you don’t know where i stand on the numerous passages

all alarmist with the over the top everyone dies or the world will end in twelve years are wrong. period end of sentence.

don’t feed me dire warnings while the obama paris accord executive order allows india and china to continue to build new coal plants for ten more years. if climate change gives us only a limited amount of time, the globalists are killing us!

people can believe in climate change and not agree with the junk science behind the paris accord.

there is a changing climate and there is the globalization scheme to redistribute the wealth thru scare tactics.

 

[DENNYINMI]

excuse me. I didn’t declare anything except that man will not die from climate change.

excuse me. Well, you’re wrong about that too because we very well could.

I totally disagree with the fact anyone knows the exact way the Lord will come when He comes, and if we continue to progress without regard for who or what we kill in the process, I see no reason it won’t eventually be ourselves.

God speaks through people with wisdom, knowledge and warnings and biblical history has a way of repeating itself.

For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them.

 

[DENNYINMI]

The global warming and climate change is simple enough that 10 year old’s understand, and even an unlearned man knows that what you put into your body has an effect. It’s the same with the earth, and that’s elementary.

 

[upant]

Well, you’re wrong about that too because we very well could.

did you read the bible verse?

when Jesus returns people are still alive.

i will believe in the bible before i believe in a man-made theory

how does the USA compare to others in the paris accord in co2 emissions?

Global CO2 emissions continue to rise, reaching 33.4 Billion tons last year. Yet, many will be startled to learn that America easily leads the world in reducing CO2 output. (forbes.com)

The 2015 Paris climate accord represents the world’s desire to combat climate change through reduced greenhouse gas emissions. The U.S. withdrew from it last year. The Climate Action Network, an EU-sponsored NGO, finds that only five EU members are even halfway on track to meeting their obligations under the Paris accord. Some of the most vocal Paris supporters have been the biggest laggards. (forbes.com)

 

[Theo520]

excuse me. Well, you’re wrong about that too because we very well could.

Not a single experts supports this paranoia, that man will become extinct from climate change.

Now if you broaden your definition to include regular weather incidents, then you’ve got some deaths. Been getting those deaths as long as we’ve been on the earth though.

And we also adapt quite well to changing climate, far fewer die from heatwaves, drought, or severe cold spells as in the past. Hurricanes can be nasty to property but kill far fewer than the past, because we adapt and mitigate.

 

[DENNYINMI]

i will believe in the bible before i believe in a man-made theory

Many a theory were given as revelation to man, How? Through people.

Even regarding Galileo for heavens sake, when the Church recognized that the science was correct even if it didn’t align with a “literal” bible stance and corrected her ways…

Unfortunately, throughout Church history, there have been those who insist on reading the Bible in a more literal sense than it was intended. They fail to appreciate, for example, instances in which Scripture uses what is called “phenomenological” language—that is, the language of appearances. Just as we today speak of the sun rising and setting to cause day and night, rather than the earth turning, so did the ancients. Catholic Answers

Regardless upant, to not agree about the topic is essentially irrelevant. IF Catholics look to the Church for their source of “who to believe”…they would see the Church is very much in line with the warnings given to us to look at the ways in which we are stewards and take action to stop our part in contributing to its demise.

I suppose the Bible tends to an earth that is 6000 years old, and flat.

But for heavens sake, if for nothing else if you don’t believe in the science, care for the earth because its the right thing to do and because He said to!~ And that was literal!~

 

[Theo520]

if you don’t believe in the science,

The people who scream ‘climate change’ catastrophe either don’t understand the science, or are intentionally misrepresenting the science.

The direct warming from CO2 doubling is just ~1.1C (radiative forcing). This warming is practically irreversible. We are working to slow the increase but will likely never return to pre industrial levels. Additional warming is logarithmic, so that if we doubled CO2 again, we’d see less warming than the first doubling.

The indirect warming comes from model feedbacks that predict an additional 0.5-3.5C in warming with CO2 doubling. This area is not much better than junk science since they don’t yet understand how the feedbacks work, they are projections without evidence. There are also maybe a thousand of these feedbacks that feed into the models.

The reason we are not measuring warming as projected in the models is because the feedback assumptions are junk when taken in aggregate.

Based on what we actually know, we should be preparing for 1-2C in warming, and continue to do the research.

This is recognized by the IPCC who not so long ago started talking about impacts from this much lower warming range.

 

[empacae]

I made it a point in my life not to listen to communist propaganda anymore. I’m aware of it. But there is no gravitas behind anything they utter. Now if the environmentalists get there way, an reeducation doesn’t work for a knuckle dragging, mouth breather like me, then what would be the final solution that progressives would have for the likes of a neanderthal like me? One wonders.

 

[DENNYINMI]

I made it a point in my life not to listen to communist propaganda anymore. I’m aware of it. But there is no gravitas behind anything they utter. Now if the environmentalists get there way, an reeducation doesn’t work for a knuckle dragging, mouth breather like me, then what would be the final solution that progressives would have for the likes of a neanderthal like me? One wonders.

In summary the best advice I would offer to anyone would be to follow the road of the Church that sees much more than we’re willing to reach across the aisle right now to see. It’s the culture we live in and myself, personally, I’m tired of being called names like communist. Good earth stewardship isn’t liberal or conservative, it’s a command from God.

Regarding this thread, Pope Francis warned of our pursuit of financial gain and “as a result, whatever is fragile, like the environment, is defenseless against the interests of the deified market”

I’ve never known the Holy Spirit to be quiet and not speak to the faithful through the one who holds the keys, and why would He be quiet on an issue so important, after all He loves us.

 

[upant]

Many a theory were given as revelation to man, How? Through people.

you are in denial. climate change will not eliminate life from this planet. why is it being used as a scare tactic by religious people.

Jesus will return

He will not return to a dead world.

why do you deny this. it does not make me trust anything you have to say if you will not admit this basic tenant of the faith.

why haven’t you commented on the actions of the globalist that are allowing the building of new coal plants under the paris accord?