Winning back fallen away Catholics

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The problem is that many knowledgeable persons as has been stated have come to similar conclusions as those so called half truths and assumed flat out lies. The Catholic Church’s leadership has itself also propagandized half truths into full truths, obfuscated investigations into impropriety, and embraced questionable practices having nothing to do with Gods saving graces. The Church cherry picks its viewpoints with the best of them. To give one example, the assertion and promotion of the early Christian churches unified agreement of Christian doctrine and universal leadership. This just doesn’t agree with the historical records we have. Its a fantasy, an after thought promoted by the Roman Church to politically maneuver itself into a position of superiority over the other Church’s. So where does this leave us? The Roman Churches propaganda machine points out falsities and half truths from outside itself while creating elaborate excuses for or ignoring altogether the “worlds” accusations against it. The Roman Church’s history is rife with behaviors indistinguishable from “worldly” practices and the blanket excuse for the continued moral high ground is that you somehow separate The Roman Church from the failures of some of its members who are imperfect creatures yet somehow are still able to impart perfect interpretation of divine revelation and tradition which itself is indistinguishable from the excuses of myriads of other self described purveyors of religious revelatory truth.
 
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The problem is that many knowledgeable persons as has been stated have come to similar conclusions as those so called half truths and assumed flat out lies. The Catholic Church’s leadership has itself also propagandized half truths into full truths, obfuscated investigations into impropriety, and embraced questionable practices having nothing to do with Gods saving graces. The Church cherry picks its viewpoints with the best of them. To give one example, the assertion and promotion of the early Christian churches unified agreement of Christian doctrine and universal leadership. This just doesn’t agree with the historical records we have. Its a fantasy, an after thought promoted by the Roman Church to politically maneuver itself into a position of superiority over the other Church’s. So where does this leave us? The Roman Churches propaganda machine points out falsities and half truths from outside itself while creating elaborate excuses for or ignoring altogether the “worlds” accusations against it. The Roman Church’s history is rife with behaviors indistinguishable from “worldly” practices and the blanket excuse for the continued moral high ground is that you somehow separate The Roman Church from the failures of some of its members who are imperfect creatures yet somehow are still able to impart perfect interpretation of divine revelation and tradition which itself is indistinguishable from the excuses of myriads of other self described purveyors of religious revelatory truth.
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So what denomination is the truth then according to your opinion?
 
I believe the Roman Church erred the moment it attempted to use human language to define the ineffable nature of God and then establish certain practices or beliefs based on this meaningless attempt at a definition. For instance once you attempt to prove a proposition and base your behavior on that which cannot be understood then any proposition and behavior can be proven acceptable even despite its untruth. Now, aside from God gracing a person to behave and think a certain way despite his being incapable of comprehension given his current abilities, which necessarily entails isolation of the individual, how other than reason are we to establish the truth of a matter? And if reason draws differing conclusions given the same matter how are we to come to truth other than the arbitrary whims of the Creators graces?
 
I am non denominational. I simply seek the Kingdom God has instilled within me and the good he has set my soul to seek, not through my own understanding but through reasoning with others and attempting to behave according to the nature God has given me.
 
Christ’s Church can never err. The gates of hell will not prevail against it.
 
No, scripture uses human language to describe what God desires that humans are to comprehend about his will. Where the incomprehensible is stated in the bible it remains just that…incomprehensible. The language itself in describing this state is used to warn men to keep quite about that which they cannot know and to give direction to their proper conduct in the shadow of such things. God brings his will to men since men can never bring themselves to comprehension of God and thus deduce his will. Jesus reasons with mankind within mankind’s abilities to comprehend. He lets his will be known in the common language anything beyond this is the devils playground.
 
Yes, and yet how some men define Christ’s Church becomes not Christ’s Church but their own.
 
I ask again…do you find the loss of a soul to damnation something to take lightly? I think sometimes people forget, we are in a war here with battles won and lost but all tragic. Unless your are yourself a lost soul or ignorant I would think you wouldn’t want to joke about someone who has died next to you in the trenches.
 
That depends on the assertions of the religion. Once a religion makes assertions which themselves can be proven wrong within its own reference frame and then hinges its truth upon them that religion opens itself up to judgment.
 
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My I suggest the following CD/MP3 talks by Dr. Scott Hahn:

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Evangelizing Catholics - Dr. Scott Hahn

Dr. Scott Hahn discusses the New Evangelization in light of the Bible and the Eucharist.
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How to Bring Fallen Away Catholics Back to the Church - Dr. Scott Hahn

THIS ITEM IS CURRENTLY OUT OF STOCK. ETA: 2/24/20What is evangelization all about? What role does the Church expect ordinary Catholics to play in spreading the Catholic Faith? Dr.
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God Bless
 
Saying that we should offer free pizza to facilitate discussion of religion with fallen away Catholics is not disrespectful
 
Talk about things that would interest the ones that have fallen away! Get on their level and try to understand them then teach things in a language they can understand rather than words that people can barely pronounce. Most people didn’t go to 4 year college that have an intereat in religion! Majority of the world needs the catechism for kids version because it makes things clearer. Catholicism is a very disciplined and mature religion. Not everyone is a theological or biblical scholar. Not everyone understood Jesus though either. Also remember that most people didn’t actually make a choice to be Catholic, their parents did for them. So it was never really their own religion to begin with, but a choice their parents made for them.
 
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That depends on the assertions of the religion. Once a religion makes assertions which themselves can be proven wrong within its own reference frame and then hinges its truth upon them that religion opens itself up to judgment.
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If only it were that simple. If a religion makes an assertion and there is an issue with its veracity or morality, it’s not uncommon for that assertion to be reworded, reconfigured, or reformatted. “It’s true in a spiritual sense.” “That doesn’t count.” “Put it in it’s proper context [followed by word salad]” At times apologetics is a series of unending retreat positions used without restraint.

An interesting meta-article on this phenomenon is"When Prophecy Fails and Faith Persists: A Theoretical Overview". It’s a collection of studies of different religious groups who claimed a prophecy that did not come true, and why some of those groups thrived afterward while others died.

So has Catholicism made any supernatural claims that have been proven to be true? No. Has Catholicism made any supernatural claims that have not come true? It’s not exclusive to Catholicism, but in the Olivet Discourse we see Jesus make claims of his return within the lifetime of the apostles that all would see him and mourn. That did not happen. Catholicism, as well as some other groups, try to explain this away with Preterism (a fancy way to say it happened spiritually, which is like some of the reasons given by groups in the article I linked to). Other Christian groups use Futurism in it’s many forms. No matter which rationalization is used, it certainly is not convincing to non-believers. And given enough of these backsteps to explain away things it could cause believers to become non-believers.
 
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Because the arguments you used can be used to defend the Church.
 
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