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Exactly.

As we were going to the place of prayer, we met a slave girl with an oracular spirit, who used to bring a large profit to her owners through her fortune-telling. She began to follow Paul and us, shouting, “These people are slaves of the Most High God, who proclaim to you a way of salvation.” She did this for many days. Paul became annoyed, turned, and said to the spirit, “I command you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her.” Then it came out at that moment.

When her owners saw that their hope of profit was gone, they seized Paul and Silas and dragged them to the public square before the local authorities. Acts 16:16-19
 
Now you are making excuses for a bad situation. Tell her the truth. You owe her that as her friend.
 
ConnorMM said:
truly, there is no way she could’ve known what the cards showed. The problems that i see is that she seems quite happy with it, she doesn’t attempt to predict the future or to do any controlling spell. She simply tries (and apparently succeeds) at talking to her gran, the rest is involuntary such as having dreams, etc. She’s only 15 she doesn’t mean any harm
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Little Red Riding Hood did nothing to deserve how the wolf attempted to use her Grandma. Predators look for those who are vulnerable; they don’t care who “deserves” to be preyed upon.

Was your friend’s grandmother Christian?
 
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Her entire family are Christian (father’s side catholic which is her gran’s son)
 
PetraG said:
Well…there are Wiccans who honestly want to live and let live
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I may be wrong on this (and the definitions might be a bit fluid anyway), but I think Wiccans are more focused on back-to-nature, but tarot and magik are a separate activity.

The people I know who were not Wiccan, but delved into astrology and tarot, did so at times of their lives where they were desperate and scared and felt completely out of control.

I do think there can be a slippery slope whereby a person is in a place of powerlessness, and swears that if they get out of the situation they will never be out of control again.
Then if the original situation resolves, now they’re forever grasping at control.

And what do people usually do spells for? Money, love, and control of the situation.

The idea of a love potion or spell is to take away the freedom of choice from the target.
 
0Scarlett_nidiyilli it’s interesting you mention the last sentence because when I was talking to her she swore that she would never do those kinds of spells cause she doesn’t want to abuse her power and that the future should be natural
 
ConnorMM said:
truly, there is no way she could’ve known what the cards showed. The problems that i see is that she seems quite happy with it, she doesn’t attempt to predict the future or to do any controlling spell. She simply tries (and apparently succeeds) at talking to her gran, the rest is involuntary such as having dreams, etc. She’s only 15 she doesn’t mean any harm
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Firstly she cannot do a “controlling spell” no-one can. It’s a myth perpetuated by desperate people who don’t control their own lives.

Secondly the cards are printed pieces of paper. Whatever she is telling you about them is a lie. If she knows something it’s because she’s discussed it with someone else and you think she “knows”.
 
No one can afford to be vague on this. Wicca, by any definition, is a belief system. It is pagan and people do try it for various reasons. In the end it is about more than ‘back to nature’ but some level of control.
 
I’m not an idiot I don’t believe she’s magic, or she’s communicating with the devil. But the answer she gave was impossible for her to know the answer to
 
ConnorMM said:
she swore that she would never do those kinds of spells cause she doesn’t want to abuse her power and that the future should be natural
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There is no “power” she doesn’t have it. She’s a person just like anyone else but perhaps with delusions of grandeur.
 
0Scarlett_nidiyilii said:
I may be wrong on this (and the definitions might be a bit fluid anyway), but I think Wiccans are more focused on back-to-nature, but tarot and magik are a separate activity.

The people I know who were not Wiccan, but delved into astrology and tarot, did so at times of their lives where they were desperate and scared and felt completely out of control.

I do think there can be a slippery slope whereby a person is in a place of powerlessness, and swears that if they get out of the situation they will never be out of control again.
Then if the original situation resolves, now they’re forever grasping at control.

And what do people usually do spells for? Money, love, and control of the situation.

The idea of a love potion or spell is to take away the freedom of choice from the target.
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The thing with Wiccans is they aren’t terribly controlling with regards to creed.
It is true that they aren’t all a bunch of fortune-tellers and are instead mostly trying to recreate some European nature religion or other.
There is a lot of room for the Evil One to deceive out there; yes, it is usually a claim along the lines of what the tempter lured Eve with: you will be like gods. The idea is that God is the one who is the control freak who can’t be trusted.
ConnorMM said:
0Scarlett_nidiyilli it’s interesting you mention the last sentence because when I was talking to her she swore that she would never do those kinds of spells cause she doesn’t want to abuse her power and that the future should be natural
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Which is as much to say as this: She really believes she has attained power that is hers to abuse.

She’s taken the bait. Pray that she escapes before the hook is set.
edwest211 said:
No one can afford to be vague on this. Wicca, by any definition, is a belief system. It is pagan and people do try it for various reasons. In the end it is about more than ‘back to nature’ but some level of control.
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Yes. I don’t think Wiccans are all out to control anything, but they’ve been lead to believe that serving pagan gods is a way to influence the world. Sometimes they think this is as servants of good–the good impulse hardwired into humankind with regards to religion–and sometimes they believe this is as making reality into the servant of their own wills. Whether they are culpable or not doesn’t change that they’re being lead into falsehood.
 
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I think you mean tarot, and you should stay away from occult practices, tarot included.
 
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ConnorMM said:
0Scarlett_nidiyilli it’s interesting you mention the last sentence because when I was talking to her she swore that she would never do those kinds of spells cause she doesn’t want to abuse her power and that the future should be natural
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I’ll bet a million dollars that your friend is totally sincere when she says this. 🙂

But we never know what life has in store for us. When I was younger and read stories of saints and overcomers who had difficult lives, there was a certain romance and drama to it all, and I’d find myself wanting to show how brave and strong I’d be under adverse circumstances.

Well, life took me up on that offer, and now I’m way more cautious about 1) what I wish for 2) overestimating my own strength 😏
 
ConnorMM said:
My friend believes that she is a Wicken,
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Odd choice of phrase. Like “my friend believes she is a Hindu”. Either one chooses to be an adherent of Wicca or of Hinduism or of Christianity, etc.

As Catholics, we follow the Catechism:

Divination and magic

[2115] God can reveal the future to his prophets or to other saints. Still, a sound Christian attitude consists in putting oneself confidently into the hands of Providence for whatever concerns the future, and giving up all unhealthy curiosity about it. Improvidence, however, can constitute a lack of responsibility.

2116 All forms of divination are to be rejected: recourse to Satan or demons, conjuring up the dead or other practices falsely supposed to “unveil” the future.48 Consulting horoscopes, astrology, palm reading, interpretation of omens and lots, the phenomena of clairvoyance, and recourse to mediums all conceal a desire for power over time, history, and, in the last analysis, other human beings, as well as a wish to conciliate hidden powers. They contradict the honor, respect, and loving fear that we owe to God alone.

2117 All practices of magic or sorcery , by which one attempts to tame occult powers, so as to place them at one’s service and have a supernatural power over others - even if this were for the sake of restoring their health - are gravely contrary to the virtue of religion. These practices are even more to be condemned when accompanied by the intention of harming someone, or when they have recourse to the intervention of demons. Wearing charms is also reprehensible. Spiritism often implies divination or magical practices; the Church for her part warns the faithful against it. Recourse to so-called traditional cures does not justify either the invocation of evil powers or the exploitation of another’s credulity.
 
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