With Border Crossings at a Trickle, Why Build a Mexico Wall?

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Border deployment leads to arrest of 1,600 more illegal immigrants - Washington Examiner

U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers have apprehended an additional 1,600 people attempting to illegally enter the country from Mexico since April 15 as a result of the deployment of National Guard troops to the southwest border, CBP and defense officials said Wednesday. National Guard...
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U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers have apprehended an additional 1,600 people attempting to illegally enter the country from Mexico since April 15 as a result of the deployment of National Guard troops to the southwest border, CBP and defense officials said Wednesday.
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Annie said:
My point is that welfare recipients ( not including Social Security recipients) don’t take On n seasonal work vbecause it would interfere with their benefits, which they need all year round. If we restructured welfare, we could incentivize recipients to work rather than disincentivize.
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What “welfare” program or programs are you talking about? TANF? SNAP? WIC? Your writing seems to refer to refer to pre-'90s programs like AFDC.
 
exnihilo said:
So Trump went from being praised for his help of Blacks to being a racist? And all of the claims of racism are based on uncharitable interpretations of his motives. None of his actual words hint of racism.
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I don’t know that Donald Trump is personally a racist. I don’t know that. I have my suspicions, based on watching him for something like thirty years when he was just local news in New York City, but they’re just suspicions.

I do think he (or the people around him) are willing to exploit the racism of others for political gain.
 
dvdjs said:
What “welfare” program or programs are you talking about? TANF? SNAP? WIC? Your writing seems to refer to refer to pre-'90s programs like AFDC.
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This is a good point. Most “welfare” programs evaporated during the presidency of that well-known socialist Bill Clinton.
 
Inisfallen said:
This is a good point. Most “welfare” programs evaporated during the presidency of that well-known socialist Bill Clinton.
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I want to expand on this. Bill Clinton was the ultimate neo-liberal. If we went back a couple of decades to, say, the Nixon years, Clinton would have fit in well in the Republican Party. It’s at least arguable that Nixon was more liberal than Bill Clinton (and Hillary Clinton, for that matter).
 
My information came from what was available in 2010, around the time the ACA was passed…
 
Quite frankly, I don’t remember the details and the info is impossible to find now that so many years have gone by. But there are income limits and limits on how much you have in your bank account, so if a person exceeds those limits, their benefits are changed. It is hard to change them back, so there is no incentive for them to take on seasonal work, or even to get a regular job sometimes, in case the job doesn’t work out.
 
Inisfallen said:
This is a good point. Most “welfare” programs evaporated during the presidency of that well-known socialist Bill Clinton.
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How much of that was simply due to a very strong economy driven by the tech boom
 
robertmidwest said:

Border deployment leads to arrest of 1,600 more illegal immigrants​

U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers have apprehended an additional 1,600 people attempting to illegally enter the country from Mexico since April 15 as a result of the deployment of National Guard troops to the southwest border, CBP and…
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The total numbers are quite high,
The number of migrants apprehended while trying to illegally enter the United States from Mexico skyrocketed to more than 50,000 people in March, the highest number since President Trump assumed office 14 months ago.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...er-hit-highest-levels-since-trump-took-office
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Not much, I think. As I said, Clinton was a consummate neoliberal. Welfare programs just weren’t on his agenda. It’s probably true, however, that a strong economy made the elimination of those programs easier than it would have been otherwise.
 
yes, Bill Clinton signed the bill that was created as a result oF Newt Gingitch’s Contract with America, a Republican compact which catapulted the GOP into majority status in the House.

Not what I would call a Clinton accomplishment.
 
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Annie said:
yes, Bill Clinton signed the bill that was created as a result oF Newt Gingitch’s Contract with America, a Republican compact which catapulted the GOP into majority status in the House.

Not what I would call a Clinton accomplishment.
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No, Clinton deserved credit (or blame, depending on your point of view) as much as Gingrich and the Republican congress of the time. Welfare reform (the slogan was “end welfare as we know it” or something like that, as I remember) was a central issue of his campaign.

Whether you would call it an “accomplishment” or not is up to you.
 
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Not what I would call a Clinton accomplishment.
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You might not. But your perspectives on the welfare system in post #175 do not reflect much familiarity with the act. Clinton’s interest in this reform as a candidate and his interaction with Congress in shaping the final bill that he signed after vetoing earlier bills are a part of the history of this legislation. Also of note, the House bill was introduced by John Kasich.
 
Welfare still discourages seasonal work. Where I used to live, there were poor people who used to do the work which legal and illegal immigrants do now.

I know the changes put resterictions on how long people could stay on welfare, thus encouraging rpeople to work, but that requires requires getting a permanent job which pays well enough throughout the year to be able to get off welfare altogether.

States are now allowed not to have the time caps on welfare. The state I used to live in May have lifted those caps as well.
 
There is a movement to eliminate cash from our society thereby eliminating tax fraud.

Also eliminates working “off the books”.
 
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