With the pope against the homoheresy

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I’m not addressing the way the church performed in 2000 in response to proven charges. I’m addressing the actions of individual agents today who are promoting theories of conspiracy and alleging heresies that may not even exist.
Is your claim this is not true?

For several weeks now Poland has witnessed a heated
discussion on the “huge homosexual underground in the
Church”, provoked by the most recent book by Fr. Tadeusz
Isakowicz-Zaleski entitled Chodzi mi tylko o prawdę[1](Truth Is
All That Matters).

[1] Cf. F. T. Isakowicz-Zaleski, Chodzi mi tylko o prawdę [Truth Is All That
Matters].Warszawa 2012, pp. 114-119.
 
Isn’t that the point he was making in the videos?
Buffalo,

There is lots there and referencing Personality Disorders, Homosexuality is not included today, however the impllications would makes sense.
The most common etiology is multifactorial; however, personality disorders may be secondary to biologic, developmental, or genetic abnormalities. Stressful situations may often result in decompensation, revealing a previously unrecognized personality disorder. Indeed, personality disorders are aggravated by stressors, external or self-induced.
A concept has emerged that personality may be expressed in terms of 5 basic dimensions: extraversion, agreeableness, conscientiousness, neuroticism, and openness to experience
and
Pathophysiology
Abnormalities may be seen in the frontal, temporal, and parietal lobes. These abnormalities may be caused by perinatal injury, encephalitis, trauma, or genetics. Personality disorders are also seen with diminished monoamine oxidase (MAO) and serotonin levels. Relationships of anatomy, receptors, and neurotransmitters to personality disorders are purely speculative at this point.
Frequently, a history of psychiatric disorders is present. Developmental abnormalities secondary to abuse or incest may be present.
The 5-factor model has been used to describe the different accepted types of personality disorders. Most current research suggests that personality disorders may be differentiated by their interactions among the 5 dimensions rather than differences on any single dimension.
This would make a whole lot of sense rather than “born that way”…
 
If I did that everyone would be laughing. 😃

What should we call a member that is part of the homo lobby? What do they call themselves?
This is mind boggling. Mind. Boggling.

You put yourself forth as a devout Catholic. Do I really have to quote the Catechism to get you to understand that calling people names with the intention of demeaning them and attacking their character is sinful?

I would not have suspected this to be such a controversial issue.
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It is about ideology. You cannot compare unequal items and draw correct conclusions. To label an ideology like homoheresy as equal to the Catholic Church is unreasonable.

BTW, anyone calling me a Papist is a badge of honor.
It doesn’t matter what religion or ideology you (or they) subscribe to.

These are hyperbolic (i.e., false and exaggerated)* statements intended to demean others. You don’t get a waiver to mistreat others based on your opinion of them.

*e…g, “homomafia”
 
This is mind boggling. Mind. Boggling.

You put yourself forth as a devout Catholic. Do I really have to quote the Catechism to get you to understand that calling people names with the intention of demeaning them and attacking their character is sinful?

I would not have suspected this to be such a controversial issue.

It doesn’t matter what religion or ideology you (or they) subscribe to.

These are hyperbolic (i.e., false and exaggerated)* statements intended to demean others. You don’t get a waiver to mistreat others based on your opinion of them.

*e…g, “homomafia”
Veritas,

urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=homomafia

Urban Dictionary
homomafia A word first used by right wing bloggers to describe gay activists. Much similar to the gay agenda the homomafia can be used to describe a variety of seemingly ordinary individuals such as teachers, nurses, police officers, business owners, and others who just happen to be gay and vocal when it comes to being discriminated against.
“It appears you are a member of the homomafia that is going to force the unnatural down everyone’s throats because that is more comfortable for you.”
mundabor.wordpress.com/2013/02/17/homoheresy-homoideology-homopropaganda-and-homomafia-father-oko-speaks/
Therefore, the homomafia in the Church must be dealt with in a very professional way – we must act like a prosecutor or an officer in the battlefield. We must be aware that the other party may have become internally degenerated by decades of living in sin and hypocrisy, that they may have gone downhill to the level of ordinary criminals, that they are prepared to do even the worst things, both in words and acts, to defend their interests and position.
catholicanada.com/2013/02/homoheresy-by-the-homomafia/
Homoheresy by the Homomafia
It did not start here…

Don’t shoot the messenger…the less we speak of it the more power it has…
 
Homosexuality is gravely disordered and its acts gravely sinful. So also we have a list of offenses against the truth that are also sinful. I note that we are very quick to condemn sins we will never find tempting instead of addressing our own. Leaked documents, inuendo, speculation and name-calling have no place in a Catholic discussion.
 
Homosexuality is gravely disordered and its acts gravely sinful. So also we have a list of offenses against the truth that are also sinful. I note that we are very quick to condemn sins we will never find tempting instead of addressing our own. Leaked documents, inuendo, speculation and name-calling have no place in a Catholic discussion.
Pnewton,
WITH THE POPE AGAINST THE
HOMOHERESY
Fr. Dariusz Oko, Ph.D.
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Posted by New Catholic at 2/16/2013 12:00:00 AM
If you don’t discuss the leaked documents, inuendo, speculation and understand the name calling then it creates a vacuum of understanding…

Words have power through non usage.

Ignoring something does not make it go away.

Discussion should be oriented towards understanding.

in order that any discussion on a Catholic forum make any sense.

Is it your belief that the following statement came about without discussion…?
Homosexuality is gravely disordered and its acts gravely sinful.
 
Having read that document, all I can say is that I have concluded that I shouldn’t place much store by hysterical conspiracy theories.

If the Church is ‘riddled’ with powerful homosexual officials who quietly and effectively conspire to subvert the running of the organisation, how then can it be that the Church repeatedly makes public statements attacking that which this vast homosexual conspiracy would supposedly hold dear? You would think that the opposition to homosexual legal unions/marriage would have been muted at best, with only individual bishops coming out against it. But no, the entire Church organisation does so.

Secondly, how did the conspiracy, should it exist at all, get to be so large? How did this minority sexual proclivity (let’s leave aside all other arguments about why homosexuality exists, since it clearly does exist) get to hold so much sway in the higher echelons of the Church? Is the author of this paper genuinely saying that there has been a giant coordinated attempt at swamping the Church with homosexuals? Not every priest becomes a bishop. In fact practically none of them do, so how come so many clerics in positions of power made it there whilst also happening to be homosexual - and how were they not identified earlier? If this one particular author is so good at finding conspiracies and it is so obvious to him, then why not to anyone else who was already in power in the Church?

The whole piece is a series of insinuations and suppositions. It draws from individual cases of accepted fact and applies conclusions of supposed conspiracy across the wider Church. With made-up words like “homoideology”, “homolobby”, “homoclique” and, best of all, “homomafia”, one has to take this entire report as the work of someone who is blowing something out of all proportion with reality. Just because the author of the report is a priest does not protect him from overblown rhetoric and over-reaction.

Yes, there clearly are homosexuals in the Church. There are in every walk of life. It’s a basic fact of life. Homosexuals do jobs just like everyone else does and there have been some very good and holy priests who have also happened to be homosexual (one of which, indeed, to my certain knowledge has had a Cause for Sainthood proposed by many people).

While some people have political instincts that make them seek publicity for a cause that is important to them, such as the homosexual rights ‘lobby’, that’s no different from, say, the animal rights lobby, or the religious rights lobby. To leap to a judgement that because there are some homosexual priests (and that some of them are bad priests) then there is a concerted conspiracy by this ‘lobby’ to infiltrate the Church and that this has actually been successful is a bold and completely unsupportable claim. The author even goes so far as to blame “neuroses, heart diseases and other complaints” in priests who aren’t homosexual on the homosexual lobby! Talk about far fetched!

The author is right to worry about immoral priests just as he is right to worry about people being immoral elsewhere in life, but to go so far as to make the claims that there is an organised or de-facto “homomafia” in the Church is alarmist nonsense.
conspiracy theory; far fetched; nonsense???

In due time you will see the proof.
 
It doesn’t matter what religion or ideology you (or they) subscribe to.

These are hyperbolic (i.e., false and exaggerated)* statements intended to demean others. You don’t get a waiver to mistreat others based on your opinion of them.

*e…g, “homomafia”
The terms bother you? They describe a certain ideology. Do you find the ideology as demeaning as you claim the terms are?
 
Too ften think we worry to much about such issues. I think we must lift our concerns into the hands of Christ and let the will of God reign. I think we are only called to be about the work of of our Father. Seems that often, as christians, we throw rocks and cast judgements rather than loving others - our true calling. It is God who makes the transformations within the heart of men/women - it is an act of grace. You know the God loves all equally, both the righteous and unrighteous. If we want to be a vessel of Christ’s healing we need to be inclusive, loving, friendly and allow God to be God…we need not hurl anything at homosexuals or any other group…we need only love. I think early christians were attracted to christianity because of the love they saw and felt.

Many years ago, we had a priest which everyone in our prayer group disliked. We all judged and ran him down. Finally, and older man taught we need only love him and include him. This older man became friends with the priest. Wow, what a transformation. The Priest was transformed and renewed. The power of love…come to think of it: God is Love.
Thanks, but I think I’ll just continue to fight against the passivity and defend the Church in truth (btw, there can be no charity without truth!)
 
This was a leaked document as I understand it.

When the homosexual priest scandal was made public around 2000 the Church was roundly criticized for trying to prevent scandal and solve it within (which is Catholic teaching by the way).

She cannot win either way it seems.
You mean the sex abuse crisis- where America learned that hundreds of children were raped and their priest-abusers were systematically moved from place to place to cover-up said abuse and place the pedophile priests where they could rape other children?

I have never heard of this “homosexual priest scandal”, of which you write.

Maybe it is found in the same realm as this “homomafia” and the “homoheretics” .
 
So now, as long as you don’t personally make up the slur, it’s perfectly appropriate to say it?

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

BRB going to go phone my black friend to call him the N word.
 
You mean the sex abuse crisis- where America learned that hundreds of children were raped and their priest-abusers were systematically moved from place to place to cover-up said abuse and place the pedophile priests where they could rape other children?

I have never heard of this “homosexual priest scandal”, of which you write.

Maybe it is found in the same realm as this “homomafia” and the “homoheretics” .
Read the John Jay Study for yourself. You will see that the majority was adult males preying on post pubescent males. Yes, there were cases of pedophilia but the number is small ( even one is not acceptable though).

Ask yourself why the media did not report the truth.
 
The terms bother you?
It bothers me that you are purposefully slandering others. Yes.
They describe a certain ideology.
These people (if they even exist) do not belong to an organized crime group which literally murders people. They describe PEOPLE in a slanderous manner.

Is slander sinful? Yes or no?
Do you find the ideology as demeaning as you claim the terms are?
My mistake. I didn’t realize that sinful things were cool, just as long as the group you’re sinning against is guilty of some greater sin.
 
Read the John Jay Study for yourself. You will see that the majority was adult males preying on post pubescent males. Yes, there were cases of pedophilia but the number is small ( even one is not acceptable though).

Ask yourself why the media did not report the truth.
Without the media’s hard work on this subject, the Church may have continued to defend the pedophilia ring.

On the whole, the media did a pretty good job with it. Not perfect, but pretty darn good. They exposed a ton of pedophiles.
 
Without the media’s hard work on this subject, the Church may have continued to defend the pedophilia ring.

On the whole, the media did a pretty good job with it. Not perfect, but pretty darn good. They exposed a ton of pedophiles.
How many? Have a number?
 
How many? Have a number?
I don’t have a number for you. This was a worldwide crisis, the dust hasn’t even settled on it yet. I just heard of a new case today, I think it was in England.

Are you suggesting that a lot of pedophiles or hebephiles (etc.) haven’t been busted because of this recent media exposure?

If so, just google it. Not hard to find.
 
So now, as long as you don’t personally make up the slur, it’s perfectly appropriate to say it?

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

BRB going to go phone my black friend to call him the N word.
Have you ever heard of Lenny Bruce…go to youtube and enter that word you want to call your black friend…the N word and hear Lenny and Dustin Hoffman explain why the word is only as powerful as you make it…
 
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