With Trump Behind, Things Will Get Nasty

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"George H.W. Bush was in trouble. It was July 1988 and Michael Dukakis, the Democratic candidate for president, was on a roll after his party’s convention in Atlanta. A Gallup poll showed Mr. Bush trailing by 17 points.

But he had a road map to victory…

Mr. Bush not only overcame Mr. Dukakis’ summer polling advantage, but defeated him handily: by a margin of 53 percent to 46 percent. He won 40 states.

In many ways, with Mr. Atwater as its dark prince of strategy, the Bush campaign of 1988 marked the birth of the modern-day negative campaign. Most memorably, Republicans plastered Mr. Dukakis, then the governor of Massachusetts, with the case of Willie Horton, an African-American man who raped a white Maryland woman and stabbed her boyfriend while on a Massachusetts prison furlough program.

As President Trump faces similarly daunting poll deficits in his contest with Joseph R. Biden Jr., he is running one of the harshest campaigns since Mr. Bush defeated Mr. Dukakis, and Republicans are looking back at the 1988 race as a beacon of hope in a bleak political landscape. For all the differences between the Democratic nominees in 1988 and today, Mr. Dukakis’ collapse in the face of an onslaught by Mr. Bush has long stood as a lesson in how quickly public opinion can change, how summer polls can prove ephemeral, and how an artfully executed party convention can help turn around a struggling campaign."


It has really started already. The Trump people will make this a remarkably negative campaign.
 
I think “The Trump People” have already had tons of help from “The Biden People” in doing just that for months, if not years.
 
I think it’s really faulty to present both parties as equal in their ugliness.

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There’s quite a difference there. And then calling Harris “nasty”? That’s disgusting and completely unpresidential behavior. Attempting to minimize all of this by saying both sides get ugly is ridiculous.
 
Trump could take a lesson from David Cameron and Tony Blair:

 
You have some inside knowledge about the results of the upcoming election?
 
I don’t think that this sort of behaviour is necessarily the norm in Britain and nor do I think that it is specific to Britain. When Jeremy Corbyn resigned as leader of the opposition, Boris Johnson paid tribute to him in a similar way, thanking him for his service to party and country, praising his sincerity and commitment, and mentioning their cooperation across party lines. Jeremy Corbyn then got to his feet and responded with a short speech that was rude and aggressive and completely failed to understand the tone of the occasion.

On the other hand, there have been, and still are, plenty of American politicians capable of courtesy and decency. Obvious examples would include John McCain, Mitt Romney, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Jimmy Carter. I believe the worst thing Carter ever said was when he remarked about Ted Kennedy, “I will kick his a*s”, in a private conversation with a congressman. Even when he is not talking about grabbing women’s genitals or mocking a disabled journalist, Trump says the most awful things about people seemingly every day. Trump does not have to speak like an Old Etonian to be a decent person; he could start speaking like a peanut farmer.
 
Haaaaaaa!Did you watch the DNC ?Talk
about negative!I the projection is stunning!
 
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I think it’s really faulty to present both parties as equal in their ugliness.
American politicians capable of courtesy and decency. Obvious examples would include John McCain, Mitt Romney, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Jimmy Carter.
I will probably never get over my amazement that people fall so easily for the so-genteel façades of those who smile at their victims while lying to their faces or stabbing them in the back.

Having had that happen to me I just really hate it. Ted Bundy “was regarded as handsome and charismatic, traits that he exploited to win the trust of victims and society,” so being “nice” doesn’t always mean the person is a good guy. (Not saying pols are serial killers!!!)
 
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I think it’s really faulty to present both parties as equal in their ugliness.
American politicians capable of courtesy and decency. Obvious examples would include John McCain, Mitt Romney, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Jimmy Carter.
I will probably never get over my amazement that people fall so easily for the so-genteel façades of those who smile at their victims while lying to their faces or stabbing them in the back.

Having had that happen to me I just really hate it. Ted Bundy “was regarded as handsome and charismatic, traits that he exploited to win the trust of victims and society,” so being “nice” doesn’t always mean the person is a good guy. (Not saying pols are serial killers!!!)
So all civility is suspect… 🤔
 
I will probably never get over my amazement that people fall so easily for the so-genteel façades of those who smile at their victims while lying to their faces or stabbing them in the back.
Agreed.

I stand unhesitatingly behind the fact that both parties are supremely ugly. Their imperial wars and interventions, whether cloaked under the mantle of ‘national strength’ or ‘humanitarian intervention’ (humanitarian imperialism is a better term; take a guess as to which party adheres to which talking point), have caused unknown amounts of suffering throughout the planet. But people fixate on which one is more ‘polite’ and ‘modern’ in the domestic scene and make judgements. Even Obama is touted as a great leader while the victims of his actions are forgotten.
 
Perhaps that’s because Americans didn’t uniformly reject basic common decency when speaking with one another under Obama. Like it or not the president sets the tone for the rest of the nation. Face it: Trump is a vulgar . . . person . . . who rallies people to give in to their basest urges and ugliest biases.
 
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Gabriel Kolko, may he rest in peace, made a great point about the Republicans and the Democrats in regards to war. He said that electing a Republican was less likely to lead to widely supported wars given the history of interventions under Democratic and Republican presidencies throughout the twentieth century. The reason? Democratic politicians mask their imperialism behind a facade of ‘humane’ talking points and rationalizations.

I see your post doesn’t really address my point. In fact it confirms it.
 
No, I simply addressed the rest of your post and didn’t latch on to the specific talking point you wanted me to fixate on.
 
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