Witnesses tell FBI that George Zimmerman is no racist

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seekerz said:
He claims…I rest my case. All we know for certain from the 911 call, is that there was a chase. We don’t know when and how it ended, unless you call Zimmerman’s story credible - which I don’t at this point.
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Then we are in agreement there is no evidence to support the conclusion that Trayvon was confronted or was being chased.
 
seekerz said:
He didn’t go home because…?

The right to self defense does not exist in a vacuum - it depends on the circumstances. If a person is responsible for getting in a fight for example, getting his butt kicked does not grant him the right to kill the other person and claim self defense - even if he was really afraid for his life. You don’t want to fear for your life, don’t place your life or that of anyone else in harm’s way. If harm comes to meet you, you are fully justified in defending yourself.
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As Zimmerman did.
 
vz71 said:
Zimmerman knew the police were on the way.
It would make no sense for this man, having already called the police, to attack anyone.
And I also believe his testimony. There is no reason to doubt it, and the physical evidence and injuries match his telling of the events.
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There is lots of reason to doubt Zimmerman’s story, beginning with what he has recently showed us about his character. His own frustration was voiced in the 911 tapes when he commented that “they always get away” and his determination to see that this one didn’t provides a perfectly logical explanation for why he targeted Trayvon.

As for injuries, like I said: all we know is that he got them; where and when are open questions.
If you assume Zimmerman to be lying, then that could be a valid interpretation of events. However, we have a lot of correllation between the story Zimmerman has told and the evidence at hand.
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Where’s the correlation? A boy is running away from you and then his mind snaps and he decides to stop and deck you? Seriously? With that story, I’m beginning to question Zimmerman’s intelligence.
No, we have that he lost track of where Trayvon was and that he was going back to his car.
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You were there? Or are you assuming that Zimmerman’s word is unassailable?
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This case is complicated enough, we should stick with the facts on hand.
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You should take your own advice. You have no objective evidence that Zimmerman was returning to his car after losing sight of Trayvon. Wishing it so does not make it so. Nor does posting it repeatedly like his supporters have done all over the web: repetition does not make truth.
 
vz71 said:
Then we are in agreement there is no evidence to support the conclusion that Trayvon was confronted or was being chased.
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Are Zimmerman’s word that he was “skipping” or “running” (or whatever the action word of the day is) enough evidence for you? Is his affirmative response to the dispatcher’s “are you following him” enough for you? How do you NOT chase a person who is running away from your direction and still manage to be truthful when you admit following them. :confused:
 
seekerz said:
As for injuries, like I said: all we know is that he got them; where and when are open questions.
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When the injuries were received is a matter of record.
The responding officers noted them.
seekerz said:
Where’s the correlation? A boy is running away from you and then his mind snaps and he decides to stop and deck you? Seriously? With that story, I’m beginning to question Zimmerman’s intelligence.
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Running away?
Please provide the evidence for this.
seekerz said:
You should take your own advice. You have no objective evidence that Zimmerman was returning to his car after losing sight of Trayvon. Wishing it so does not make it so. Nor does posting it repeatedly like his supporters have done all over the web: repetition does not make truth.
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No, I have no objective evidence.
Only the testimony provided by Zimmerman.
The fact that the testimony also lines up with witness statements and physical evidence strengthens his claims.
 
seekerz said:
At what point did harm “come to” Zimmerman? He went out looking for it and unfortunately for Trayvon he found it.
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Pure speculation with no evidence to support it.

There is however reason to believe that he was not looking for a confrontation.
 
seekerz said:
Are Zimmerman’s word that he was “skipping” or “running” (or whatever the action word of the day is) enough evidence for you? Is his affirmative response to the dispatcher’s “are you following him” enough for you? How do you NOT chase a person who is running away from your direction and still manage to be truthful when you admit following them. :confused:
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So let me get this straight.

You admit that we have no evidence other then Zimmerman’s testimony as to exactly what happened between the 911 call and the shooting.

But you insist a chase took place during this time.

You could get hurt on that fence. You may want to decide what side to be on.
Either you can confirm a chase took place immedietely before the attack, or there is no evidence with which to decide.
 
seekerz said:
What injuries? Do we know where and when either were caused?
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Do you really wish us to believe that you are unaware of the injuries Zimmerman received?

If so, I humbly suggest you read up more before taking a side. Clearly you are missing information.
 
vz71 said:
Do you really wish us to believe that you are unaware of the injuries Zimmerman received?

If so, I humbly suggest you read up more before taking a side. Clearly you are missing information.
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I have read that he had injuries. I have read nothing definitive that indicates when or where those injuries were sustained, other than Zimmerman’s version of the altercation.
 
vz71 said:
So let me get this straight.

You admit that we have no evidence other then Zimmerman’s testimony as to exactly what happened between the 911 call and the shooting.

But you insist a chase took place during this time.

You could get hurt on that fence. You may want to decide what side to be on.
Either you can confirm a chase took place immedietely before the attack, or there is no evidence with which to decide.
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He admitted to the chase during the 911 call, so unless he was lying then (which is not impossible) I don’t have to jump through hoops to decide whether or not he followed the kid. He admitted as much to the dispatcher and his heavy breathing supports the veracity of his admission.
 
vz71 said:
When the injuries were received is a matter of record.
The responding officers noted them.
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A responding office can assume a broken nose; as far as I’m aware, unless the skin is split open to reveal broken bone, definitive proof would require an xray, but I remain open to correction on that one. As for bruises, yes they were documented. The responding office did not see by whom and when those injuries were inflicted.
Running away?
Please provide the evidence for this.
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Listen to the 911 call. Zimmerman admitted to following Martin. The logical conclusion when someone admits to following a person who is running is that they are running AWAY (and not towards the follower), otherwise what’s the need to pursue?
No, I have no objective evidence.
Only the testimony provided by Zimmerman.
The fact that the testimony also lines up with witness statements and physical evidence strengthens his claims.
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Which witness statements and physical evidence are you referring to specifically?
 
seekerz said:
He admitted to the chase during the 911 call, so unless he was lying then (which is not impossible) I don’t have to jump through hoops to decide whether or not he followed the kid. He admitted as much to the dispatcher and his heavy breathing supports the veracity of his admission.
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He never said anything about “chasing” him, he was watching him and following him. When the 911 operator told him to stop, …he said “okay”. There is no, none, zero, zip evidence which points to Zimmerman starting the altercation or doing anything but be dutiful neighborhood watch person…in a neighborhood that had experienced no less than 8 separate break-ins in the preceding months.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
He never said anything about “chasing” him, he was watching him and following him. When the 911 operator told him to stop, …he said “okay”. There is no, none, zero, zip evidence which points to Zimmerman starting the altercation or doing anything but be dutiful neighborhood watch person…in a neighborhood that had experienced** no less than 8 separate break-ins in the preceding months**.
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Other people were too busy “minding their own business” to be concerned about such minor irritants.
 
seekerz said:
He admitted to the chase during the 911 call, so unless he was lying then (which is not impossible) I don’t have to jump through hoops to decide whether or not he followed the kid. He admitted as much to the dispatcher and his heavy breathing supports the veracity of his admission.
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He admitted no such thing. He stated he was watching and following: big difference there.
After the call, we have nothing to tell us who went where and did what other then physicl evidence, witness testimony, and the report of Zimmerman.

Heavy breathing supports the theory that he was out of breath.

My father could become winded walking down his driveway.
I know several other people that become winded walking any distance greater then 20 or 30 yards. Particularly if they are talking on the phone at the same time.

You have to jump through a few hoops to conclude what you have from this ‘heavy breathing.’
 
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