Witnesses tell FBI that George Zimmerman is no racist

[rlg94086]

cnn.com/2012/07/12/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
(CNN) – George Zimmerman, charged with second-degree murder in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, had a “little hero complex” but was not a racist, a Sanford, Florida, homicide investigator told federal agents, according to reports released Thursday.

In an interview with FBI agents in March, investigator Chris Serino told authorities he “believed that Zimmerman’s actions were not based on Martin’s skin color, rather based on his attire, the total circumstances of the encounter and the previous burglary suspects in the community,” according to an FBI report.

The reports and other information in the case against Zimmerman were released Thursday by Special Prosecutor Angela Corey to Zimmerman’s attorney.

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In his interview, Serino explained to the FBI agents that African-American gangs in the community “typically dressed in black and wore hoodies,” the report said.

“Serino believes that when Zimmerman saw Martin in a hoody (sic), Zimmerman took it upon himself to view Martin as acting suspicious,” the report said. “Serino described Zimmerman as overzealous and as having ‘a little hero complex,’ but not as a racist. Serino explained that on numerous occasions he asked Zimmerman specifically if he followed Martin based on his skin color and Zimmerman never admitted to this fact.”

 

[austenbosten]

He’s a racist, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and MSNBC told me so.

 

[Crescentinus]

He’s a racist, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and MSNBC told me so.

 

[JimG]

He’s a racist, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and MSNBC told me so.

The trouble with cable news–or really any news–now, is that stories are never given time to develop. Everyone must have an opinion within 5 minutes of an event.

Before television, when newspapers were paramount, news at least had time to develop. Reporters could spend some time on developing a story, rather than pushing the 2 minute talking points over and over again.

When cable news networks first came on the scene, I thought,"great, now they will have the time to develop news in a lot more depth, and they’ll have time to cover a lot more news! Silly me.

 

[austenbosten]

The trouble with cable news–or really any news–now, is that stories are never given time to develop. Everyone must have an opinion within 5 minutes of an event.

Before television, when newspapers were paramount, news at least had time to develop. Reporters could spend some time on developing a story, rather than pushing the 2 minute talking points over and over again.

When cable news networks first came on the scene, I thought,"great, now they will have the time to develop news in a lot more depth, and they’ll have time to cover a lot more news! Silly me.

I agree, even though I’m a Fox News fan, whenever something like this comes up; I’m always talking to the TV screen saying

“Shut up, Shut up, Shut Up!”

I agree that it’s important to be up-to-date with the news when you are a 24/7 news station; but give it at least a couple of days before you spout off the comentary…just report the facts.

 

[rlg94086]

The trouble with cable news–or really any news–now, is that stories are never given time to develop. Everyone must have an opinion within 5 minutes of an event.

Before television, when newspapers were paramount, news at least had time to develop. Reporters could spend some time on developing a story, rather than pushing the 2 minute talking points over and over again.

When cable news networks first came on the scene, I thought,"great, now they will have the time to develop news in a lot more depth, and they’ll have time to cover a lot more news! Silly me.

Exactly. I’m pretty certain that approximately 99.32% of the people crying “racist!” in this case assumed Zimmerman was white. Once they learned he is Hispanic, it was too late to back off…

 

[austenbosten]

Exactly. I’m pretty certain that approximately 99.32% of the people crying “racist!” in this case assumed Zimmerman was white. Once they learned he is Hispanic, it was too late to back off…

I dunno some of the Leftists I talk to, still think he’s white. Remember when the DCM coined the term White Hispanic?

 

[rlg94086]

I dunno some of the Leftists I talk to, still think he’s white. Remember when the DCM coined the term White Hispanic?

Well, it is his white half that possesses all of the bad traits, so obviously he favors that half and is therefore a White Hispanic. If he had no bad traits and/or was the victim, he would just be Hispanic. That’s how it works. I’m sure if Tiger Woods had turned out to be a terrible golfer, people would claim he’s Asian.

 

[psr13]

I dunno some of the Leftists I talk to, still think he’s white. Remember when the DCM coined the term White Hispanic?

Haha. I just showed hubby his picture and asked what color he is. His answer was, “Indian.” No one who saw him would think he’s white.

 

[austenbosten]

Oh I agree that racism is not just a B&W issue. Blacks and Koreans hate each other in LA. I’m just annoyed by the term White Hispanic because the word “white” has to be present in the Leftist media in order to make GZ a racist…all the while they get Al Sharpton’s take. Zimmerman is Hispanic and he considers himself so, there are such thing as racist hispanics (not saying GZ is racist, I don’t know and frankly don’t care) but the Leftist media can’t say it…though they can call a half-white, half-black President African-American.

 

[scipio337]

I would say the biggest development in this case (since the ban) for was the charges of Murder 2.

I have no idea how this prosecutor is going to prove anything outside of involuntary manslaughter.

2 families have been destroyed, and I pray they receive peace, regardless of how this case turns out.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

I would say the biggest development in this case (since the ban) for was the charges of Murder 2.

I have no idea how this prosecutor is going to prove anything outside of involuntary manslaughter.

2 families have been destroyed, and I pray they receive peace, regardless of how this case turns out.

Alan Dersowitz has lambasted the prosecutor for lying in the charging statement, not fully disclosing evidence, and not even making the case that this should be murder 2.

 

[SamH]

Alan Dersowitz has lambasted the prosecutor for lying in the charging statement, not fully disclosing evidence, and not even making the case that this should be murder 2.

The prosecutor made the ommissions that Zimmerman’s wife did - who got charged and who didn’t get charged?

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

The prosecutor made the ommissions that Zimmerman’s wife did - who got charged and who didn’t get charged?

Well, Zimmerman and his wife are dirty peasants, so they must be punished. The prosecutor is part of the club, so there can be no holding her wrong for anything. She is doing the work of the ruling class and she cannot be bothered with trivial details like “the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth” or due process, or any of that nonsense. Someone died and now Zimmerman has to pay.

 

[eternalrest]

Zimmerman’s Police Inside Connection Has Been Revealed: A Former Cop Coached Him on What to Say
The public has often wondered how George Zimmerman was able to escape prosecution for his crimes in the past. There seemed to be a connection that he had inside the Sanford police department that kept him safe from the consequences of his poor choices. Some thought that it was his father, the retired judge. It turns out that it may be deeper than that.

Zimmerman, who shot Trayvon Martin after seeing him to be a suspicious looking black male, was allowed to evade arrest and remain free for 44 days after the initial incident. New evidence is showing that the early decision not to charge Zimmerman was the result of scripted coaching he received from someone inside the Sanford Police Department.

Documents from the FBI and Florida Department of Law Enforcement are claiming that a strong Zimmerman supporter throughout the case might have been Mark Osterman, a federal agent and former Seminole County Sheriff’s deputy. Osterman was with Zimmerman as they returned to the scnee of the crime to determine what happened on the previous day.

The Herald has reported that Zimmerman and Osterman often went shooting together, and that Zimmerman even hid in Osterman’s house as the publicity from the case shot through the national media.

Previously, some had wondered if Zimmerman was getting inside help from Seminole State Attorney Norm Wolfinger, who released Zimmerman initially. Wolfinger was removed from the case when a special prosecutor was assigned to handle the rest of the process.

There was also an interesting email between between Zimmerman and former Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee. The two exchanged pleasantries about a case in which a homeless black man was beaten by the son of a police lieutenant. The lieutenant’s son was never charged for the beating.

“Zimmerman is very concerned with all the negative reaction from the press and others and wants more evidence released to show what really happened,” Osterman told the FBI.

Of course, Osterman is denying that he ever gave Zimmerman advice. But we didn’t exactly expect a confession. kulturekritic.com/2012/07/news/zimmermans-police-inside-connection-has-been-revealed-a-former-cop-coached-him-on-what-to-say/

It is a little curious as to how Zimmerman has such a record of provoking violence and getting away scot-free. He is very young to provoke so many violent incidents. Additionally, he makes the same claim in this case as with his girlfriend, he claims that Trayvon Martin attacked him and he claimed his ex-girlfriend attacked him too. Yet, neither his ex-girlfriend nor Trayvon Martin have the same history of violence.

Media outlets had previously reported that, in July 2005, Zimmerman and his ex-girlfriend had a physical altercation.

While interviewing Zimmerman’s current wife, the state proscecutor read from an affidavit by the ex-girlfriend. She alleged in the sworn statement that he “pushed her,” then slapped her with an open hand to the mouth and “asked her how it felt.” She said he “picked me up and threw me on the bed” and then “grabbed me again.” Zimmerman’s wife responded that her husband was simply trying to “protect himself from being attacked by her.” Watch it:

*Zimmerman subsequently filed an injunction against his ex-girlfriend claiming that she was the aggressor *in the incident.thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/04/20/468409/prosecutor-zimmerman-slapped-his-ex-girlfriend-and-asked-her-how-it-felt/?mobile=nc

**George Zimmerman was fired from his job as an under-the-table security guard for “being too aggressive,” **a former co-worker told the Daily News.

Zimmerman, at the center of a firestorm for shooting an unarmed black teenager a month ago, worked for two different agencies providing security to illegal house parties between 2001 and 2005, the former co-worker said.

“Usually he was just a cool guy. He liked to drink and hang with the women like the rest of us,” he said. “But it was like Jekyll and Hyde. When the dude snapped, he snapped.”
*
The source said Zimmerman, who made between $50 and $100 a night, was let go in 2005.
*
“He had a temper and he became a liability,” the man said. “One time this woman was acting a little out of control. She was drunk. George lost his cool and totally overreacted,” he said. “It was weird, because he was such a cool guy, but he got all nuts. He picked her up and threw her. It was pure rage. She twisted her ankle. Everyone was flipping out.” articles.nydailynews.com/2012-03-29/news/31256491_1_robert-zimmerman-gated-community-security-guard

The year 2005 was a bad one for Zimmerman: he was arrested for fighting with a cop trying to arrest his friend for underage drinking… articles.nydailynews.com/2012-03-29/news/31256491_1_robert-zimmerman-gated-community-security-guard

 

[scipio337]

It is a little curious as to how Zimmerman has such a record of provoking violence and getting away scot-free. He is very young to provoke so many violent incidents. Additionally, he makes the same claim in this case as with his girlfriend, he claims that Trayvon Martin attacked him and he claimed his ex-girlfriend attacked him too. Yet, neither his ex-girlfriend nor Trayvon Martin have the same history of violence. …

Then I’m assuming the injuries to George Zimmerman were self-inflicted?

Injuries to Trayvon Martin’s knuckles were post-mortem?

articles.nydailynews.com/2012-05-16/news/31732179_1_autopsy-results-knuckles-injuries

Occam’s razor.

 

[eternalrest]

Then I’m assuming the injuries to George Zimmerman were self-inflicted?

Injuries to Trayvon Martin’s knuckles were post-mortem

articles.nydailynews.com/2012-05-16/news/31732179_1_autopsy-results-knuckles-injuries

Occam’s razor.

From the article that you posted:

“It goes along with Zimmerman’s story that he acted in self-defense because he was getting beaten up by Trayvon Martin,” Sheaffer said.

Sheaffer acknowledged, however, that the injuries could have been a result of Trayvon trying to defend himself.

“It could be consistent with Trayvon either trying to get away or defend himself,” Sheaffer said.

Trayvon Martin trying to get away or defend himself seems more consistent with Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin’s histories. Trayvon Martin has never provoked a fight in his life before has he? On the other hand, Zimmerman has provoked an unusual amount of fights, where he has caused injuries to others. All we have to go on to believe that Zimmerman’s story that he acted in self-defense is his word, and he lied to the judge about his bail money and has a similar story about self-defense in response to the attack on his girlfriend. His story also contradicts the phone records of Trayvon Martin’s girlfriend.

 

[scipio337]

From the article that you posted:

But with the additional injuries to Zimmerman’s nose and the back of his head, I would say unlikely.

2 + 2 ≠ 5

 

[eternalrest]

But with the additional injuries to Zimmerman’s nose and the back of his head, I would say unlikely.

2 + 2 ≠ 5

An injury to the back of the head could come from falling back and hitting one’s head on the pavement, right? So how do the injuries on his nose or back of his head make Zimmerman’s story give us any information whatsoever on who provoked the fight? Or whether Zimmerman had truly stopped following Travyon Martin when the police dispatcher asked him to do so like he said that he did?

 

[scipio337]

An injury to the back of the head could come from falling back and hitting one’s head on the pavement, right? So how do the injuries on his nose or back of his head make Zimmerman’s story give us any information whatsoever on who provoked the fight? Or whether Zimmerman had truly stopped following Travyon Martin when the police dispatcher asked him to do so like he said that he did?

“Provoking” has nothing to do with a self defense claim. Just dealing in fact, rather than speculation.

And yet again, it isn’t a crime to follow someone, even at the recommendation of a police dispatcher.