Witnesses tell FBI that George Zimmerman is no racist

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Has the ban been lifted?

I hope so, but I doubt enough time has gone by to remove all of the high emotions.
 
vz71 said:
Thank you moderators!

And now back to the meat of the issue…
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That the prosecution against George Zimmerman is a politically motivate witch hunt. They are trying to put “stand your ground” laws on trial. 🤷
 
Poll: Most Floridians want no changes to Stand Your Ground law
Florida’s controversial “Stand Your Ground” law continues to enjoy widespread support among likely voters, even as a state task force considers rewriting the law, according to a new Tampa Bay Times/Miami Herald/Bay News 9 poll
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Nearly 65 percent say the 2005 law — which allows people who believe they are in grave danger to use deadly force to defend themselves — does not need to be changed. There’s less consensus when it comes to voters’ thoughts on the Trayvon Martin shooting, which thrust “Stand Your Ground” into the national spotlight this year
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Voters are essentially split about whether George Zimmerman — who faces second-degree murder charges for shooting the 17-year-old Trayvon on Feb. 26 — was acting in self-defense when he pulled the trigger. Forty-four percent believe he was and 40 percent say he wasn’t, while 16 percent are not sure. Major differences emerge when voters are separated by geography and race
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“The real divide on this is racial, which I think isn’t terribly surprising given the racial tone that this [case] has taken,” said Brad Coker of Mason-Dixon Polling & Research, a nonpartisan, Jacksonville-based company that conducted the poll. The telephone survey of 800 registered Florida voters — all likely to vote in the November general election — was conducted July 9-11 and has a margin of error of 3.5 percentage points
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mcclatchydc.com/2012/07/16/156268/poll-most-floridians-want-no-changes.html
 
SamH said:
It’s amazing how often one can be right when they apply a little logic. It’s certainly nothing to regret.
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Well, the fact that I am constantly right interferes with my ability to appear humble. Not as humble as Rob…but close. I mean, have you seen how humble that guys is. It would be amazing if being amazing and humility were compatible…😊
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
Well, the fact that I am constantly right interferes with my ability to appear humble. Not as humble as Rob…but close. I mean, have you seen how humble that guys is. It would be amazing if being amazing and humility were compatible…😊
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“Oh, Lord, it’s hard to be humble, when you’re perfect in every way. I can’t wait to look in the mirror. I get better lookin’ each day. To know me is to love me. I must be a hell of a man. Oh, Lord, it’s hard to be humble, but I’m doin’ the best that I can.” 😃
 
rlg94086 said:
“Oh, Lord, it’s hard to be humble, when you’re perfect in every way. I can’t wait to look in the mirror. I get better lookin’ each day. To know me is to love me. I must be a hell of a man. Oh, Lord, it’s hard to be humble, but I’m doin’ the best that I can.” 😃
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Sounds like a Johnny Cash song…
 
eternalrest said:
An injury to the back of the head could come from falling back and hitting one’s head on the pavement, right? So how do the injuries on his nose or back of his head make Zimmerman’s story give us any information whatsoever on who provoked the fight? Or whether Zimmerman had truly stopped following Travyon Martin when the police dispatcher asked him to do so like he said that he did?
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And since you admit we don’t know, you have to acquit, by law. You haven’t proven anything definitive, other than you can’t definitively prove anything.

Again, this would by law be an acquittal in a murder trial, unless I am reading these proceedings incorrectly.
 
rlg94086 said:
Exactly. I’m pretty certain that approximately 99.32% of the people crying “racist!” in this case assumed Zimmerman was white. Once they learned he is Hispanic, it was too late to back off… 😛
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Excuse me-per the NYT he was a “white hispanic”

BTW-has the ban on discussing Zimmerman been lifted?
 
scipio337 said:
“Provoking” has nothing to do with a self defense claim. Just dealing in fact, rather than speculation.

And yet again, it isn’t a crime to follow someone, even at the recommendation of a police dispatcher.
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Have you heard of the “duty to retreat”?
From wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_to_retreat
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In the criminal law, the duty to retreat is a specific component which sometimes appears in the defense of self-defense, and which must be addressed if the defendant is to prove that his or her conduct was justified. In those jurisdictions where the requirement exists, the burden of proof is on the defense to show that the defendant was acting reasonably. This is often taken to mean that the defendant had first avoided conflict and secondly, had taken reasonable steps to retreat and so demonstrated an intention not to fight before eventually using force.
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From wikipedia: Stand Your Ground Law en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_self-defense
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A stand-your-ground law states that a person may use force in self-defense when there is reasonable belief of a threat, without an obligation to retreat first. In some cases, a person may use deadly force in public areas without a duty to retreat. Under these legal concepts, a person is justified in using deadly force in certain situations and the “stand your ground” law would be a defense or immunity to criminal charges and civil suit. The difference between immunity and a defense is that an immunity bars suit, charges, detention and arrest. A defense, such as an affirmative defense, permits a plaintiff or the state to seek civil damages or a criminal conviction but may offer mitigating circumstances that justifies the accused’s conduct.
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Both provoking a fight and following someone against the advice of the police dispatcher show that the person is not acting reasonably: he is not avoiding conflict and he is not demonstrating an intention not to fight. He is not on his own property or in his own home so if he attacked, he is not justified in claiming self-defense. It seems likely that he attacked given his unusual record of provoking and starting fights and the lack of any history of aggression in Trayvon Martin’s part.
 
Woman claims Zimmerman molested her as a child
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WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. – A relative of George Zimmerman claims she was molested by him when they were both children, the latest allegation in the case against the former neighborhood watch volunteer charged in the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin.
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The interview with police, done nearly a month after the February shooting, was made public Monday after local media fought to have it released, over objections from prosecutors and the defense.
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The woman, identified as witness No. 9 in court documents, said she was fondled, groped and kissed by Zimmerman beginning when she was 6 and he was about 8, when they would see each other at family gatherings. She said it continued until she was about 16.
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Zimmerman’s attorney, Mark O’Mara called it an “uncorroborated, irrelevant statement” in court papers. He said in a statement Monday he would vigorously defend Zimmerman against the relative’s allegations.
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Prosecutors said they may want to use the interview, as well as a separate statement from the woman calling Zimmerman a racist, but they did not yet want it made public because it could influence potential jurors.
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It was not clear where the alleged abuse took place, and prosecutors did not return a telephone call seeking comment about whether they planned to pursue additional charges. At least one legal expert said charges would be unlikely, in part because laws limit how long a victim can wait before bringing allegations to authorities.
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Zimmerman, 28, is charged with second-degree murder in the Feb. 26 death of the 17-year-old Martin, who was unarmed when he was killed in Sanford, about 20 miles north of Orlando.
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Zimmerman claims Martin attacked him. He has pleaded not guilty, claiming self-defense.
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The interview was done March 20 as Martin’s supporters began organizing protests nationwide, saying the teen was racially profiled because he was black. Zimmerman’s father is white and his mother is Peruvian.
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In the interview, the woman tearfully recalled watching movies at Zimmerman’s house when he first reached inside her underwear. She said she went to sleep crying.
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“I would try to push him off, but he was bigger and stronger and older,” she said.
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She said she was not raped, but the abuse happened over the next 10 years.
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Around 2005, the woman’s parents arranged to confront Zimmerman at a restaurant, after learning from her sister what happened. He showed up, said “I’m sorry,” and left, the woman said.
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In a separate interview, the woman accused Zimmerman of being a racist.
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“I was afraid that he may have done something because the kid was black, because growing up they always made — him and his family have always made — statements that they don’t like black people if they don’t act like white people,” the woman said.
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Under questioning, she said she couldn’t recall any specific comments Zimmerman made.
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The Orlando Sentinel, the Sun Sentinel and WFTV fought for the release of the interview, and the judge agreed.
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“Adding this statement to the discourse will simply be another piece of the puzzle to be relied upon by those who want to believe there was a racial motive to the shooting, and will be dismissed by those who claim that there was no such motive” Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester wrote.
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An attorney for Martin’s family, Benjamin Crump, said the interview could be used at trial to show Zimmerman “has a history of violence and manipulation.” But prosecutors and the defense attorney questioned in court documents whether it would be allowed.
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Tamara Lave, a University of Miami law professor, said the allegations would be subject to whatever statutes of limitations were in place at the time.
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“It’s extraordinarily unlikely that even if the prosecutor wanted to file charges that she’d be able to do so,” Lave said.
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Prosecutors also released 145 phone calls Zimmerman made from jail. In one to his wife, he said he once wanted to be a priest, and he was thinking of becoming a chaplain.
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Read more: foxnews.com/us/2012/07/16/woman-claims-zimmerman-molested-her-as-child/#ixzz20plSmkXm
 
rlg94086 said:
And, this is relevant because…?
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He has a habit of inappropriate and criminal aggressive behavior towards others that makes his story that Trayvon Martin attacked him instead of the other way around very difficult to believe. In addition, she is his own flesh and blood, and she disagrees with the witnesses mentioned in the first post with regards to their opinions on his attitudes about race.
 
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