Witnesses tell FBI that George Zimmerman is no racist

[seekerz]

And you have the forsight to know that this whole Zimmerman/Martin incident will NOT further God’s will for mankind somehow? Are you a prophet?!?!?!?! Are you a messenger from the Most High!

I believe you are right. It will further God’s will for mankind: when Zimmerman gets thrown in the slammer for the maximum possible sentence, it will teach people not to go around killing other people’s kids for no reason…

 

[kelvinf]

So if it is true that Zimmeran was on top of him and he feared for his life what should he have done? I

I guess you meant if it is true that Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman. Well, that’s like asking me these:

1. If two unarmed people are fighting and one of them fears for his life, what should he do?
2. If an unarmed person is fighting with an armed person and the armed person fears for his life, what should he do?

Well, I cannot answer such questions but maybe you can.(?) However, one thing is clear; we will all be held accountable for our actions! I am sure that people have now learnt a lesson, that once you pull the trigger, you can’t recall the bullet and you would be held accountable.

 

[scipio337]

No, the current investigation should go on, because the former one was mishandled. That’s why it took… 44… days before he was arrested and substantive protests.

And your proof of the first investigation being mishandled is…?

That you don’t think it was. I’m guessing you’ve never seen any of the documentation of the first investigation, but you just “feel” like it was.

We may disagree about the series of events, but I’ve never questioned your motivation, or claimed that you “make light of” the potential life sentence Zimmerman would face, and I kindly ask you to do the same.

 

[scipio337]

I believe you are right. It will further God’s will for mankind: when Zimmerman gets thrown in the slammer for the maximum possible sentence, it will teach people not to go around killing other people’s kids for no reason…

And if Zimmerman is found not guilty, you will be satisfied with this verdict?

It seems that the goalposts are constantly being moved in this issue.

At the beginning, all you were asking for is for “another investigation”. Then, for Zimmerman to be charged, and a trial.

Now, being “thrown in the slammer for the maximum possible sentence” is a forgone demand.

I’m guessing some are already convinced of Zimmerman’s guilt, and will be satisfied with nothing less than a conviction at this point.

 

[kelvinf]

And if Zimmerman is found not guilty, you will be satisfied with this verdict?

It seems that the goalposts are constantly being moved in this issue.

At the beginning, all you were asking for is for “another investigation”. Then, for Zimmerman to be charged, and a trial.

Now, being “thrown in the slammer for the maximum possible sentence” is a forgone demand.

I’m guessing some are already convinced of Zimmerman’s guilt, and will be satisfied with nothing less than a conviction at this point.

Whatever the verdict is, we will/should accept it! If either side is not satisfied, they could appeal…Whatever the case, a court will finally decide and the ruling would be final.

From my perspective, I believe a lot has already been achieved in this case. I believe people in their right minds should have learnt from this case. We would all be held accountable for our actions.

Two families have been damaged because of a confrontation that could have been avoided. No verdict would ever bring back Trayvon to life nor restore Zimmerman’s normal life. But he says he doesn’t regret anything. :nope:

 

[seekerz]

And if Zimmerman is found not guilty, you will be satisfied with this verdict?

It seems that the goalposts are constantly being moved in this issue.

At the beginning, all you were asking for is for “another investigation”. Then, for Zimmerman to be charged, and a trial.

Now, being “thrown in the slammer for the maximum possible sentence” is a forgone demand.

I’m guessing some are already convinced of Zimmerman’s guilt, and will be satisfied with nothing less than a conviction at this point.

I was simply joining in the trend of this having been God’s plan…If we assume that it is, we can safely assume that this is an object lesson in respecting life, no?

 

[estesbob]

I guess you meant if it is true that Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman. Well, that’s like asking me these:

1. If two unarmed people are fighting and one of them fears for his life, what should he do?
2. If an unarmed person is fighting with an armed person and the armed person fears for his life, what should he do?

Well, I cannot answer such questions but maybe you can.(?) However, one thing is clear; we will all be held accountable for our actions! I am sure that people have now learnt a lesson, that once you pull the trigger, you can’t recall the bullet and you would be held accountable.

Zimmerman getting out of his car, carrying a gun and following Martin were all legal acts. Wise? No This incident was a tragedy all around but if Martin had Zimmerman on the ground and was beating his head into the ground Zimmerman is justified in defending himself regardless of how he ended up on the ground

The sad part is in addition to the death of Martin we will civil unrest when Zimmerman is found not guilty leading perhaps to even more deaths

 

[seekerz]

The sad part is in addition to the death of Martin we will civil unrest when Zimmerman is found not guilty leading perhaps to even more deaths

If that is God’s plan, (and you do use the word “will”) then what’s the problem?

 

[estesbob]

If that is God’s plan, (and you do use the word “will”) then what’s the problem?

It is irrelevant what stupid or insensitive comments he made. It doesn’t matter whether he regrets what happened or not. All that is relevant to the charges is was he justified in defending himself if he was indeed thrown to the ground and being viciously beaten.

 

[BarbG]

I certainly haven’t read all 13 pages of this topic but have always felt since I first heard the story that even though Zimmerman felt threatened he certainly didn’t have to kill the young man – he obviously had a gun --couldn’t he just have"shot" him and NOT killed him???

 

[kelvinf]

Zimmerman getting out of his car, carrying a gun and following Martin were all legal acts. Wise? No This incident was a tragedy all around but if Martin had Zimmerman on the ground and was beating his head into the ground Zimmerman is justified in defending himself regardless of how he ended up on the ground

There is a case because the prosecutor believes that, during the confrontation between Martin and Zimmerman, there was disproportionate use of force by Zimmerman which resulted in the death of an unarmed teenager.

 

[seekerz]

It is irrelevant what stupid or insensitive comments he made. It doesn’t matter whether he regrets what happened or not. All that is relevant to the charges is was he justified in defending himself if he was indeed thrown to the ground and being viciously beaten.

I’d have to say that if said “vicious beating” truly happened (and we have ample cause to doubt Zimmerman’s credibility) and if said beating was itself an act of self defense by an unarmed kid, then the person responsible for the chain of events that led to the altercation, is the person to blame.

And BTW, stupidity and insensitivity are very much relevant to any discussion of this case. The interview tells us much about Zimmerman’s character and mindset. Thanks Hannity, for helping provide some sorely needed insight.

 

[estesbob]

There is a case because the prosecutor believes that, during the confrontation between Martin and Zimmerman, there was disproportionate use of force by Zimmerman which resulted in the death of an unarmed teenager.

Does Florida law allow one to use lethal force if one feels their life is in danger? I believe it does. I believe the charges were bought due to political pressure and that we will see much more harm come when the inevitable not guilty charge comes down.

 

[estesbob]

I’d have to say that if said “vicious beating” truly happened (and we have ample cause to doubt Zimmerman’s credibility) and if said beating was itself an act of self defense by an unarmed kid, then the person responsible for the chain of events that led to the altercation, is the person to blame.

How would Zimmerman know Martin was unarmed? Are you suggesting that Zimmeran should just have lain there and let Martin beat him all he wanted?

 

[seekerz]

How would Zimmerman know Martin was unarmed? Are you suggesting that Zimmeran should just have lain there and let Martin beat him all he wanted?

I’m not suggesting anything of the sort. What I am suggesting is that people, armed or unarmed, should learn to mind their own business and leave policing to the police.

What information do you have that Martin did not feel his life was threatened by Zimmerman? What other, than Zimmerman’s word, makes you so sure that he was beat up at all by Martin?

 

[seekerz]

Does Florida law allow one to use lethal force if one feels their life is in danger? I believe it does. I believe the charges were bought due to political pressure and that we will see much more harm come when the inevitable not guilty charge comes down.

So did Martin not have that same right to use lethal force? He was the one being chased by a man with a gun for heaven’ sake!

 

[rlg94086]

I’d have to say that if said “vicious beating” truly happened (and we have ample cause to doubt Zimmerman’s credibility) and if said beating was itself an act of self defense by an unarmed kid, then the person responsible for the chain of events that led to the altercation, is the person to blame.

So you follow your “if it truly happened,” with an “if said beating was itself an act of self defense by an unarmed kid.” You do realize that the latter may also not be true. The only thing that matters is proof, beyond a reasonable doubt, based on evidence. If such proof is provided in the case, then Zimmerman should be found guilty. If not, then he should be aquitted.

 

[seekerz]

So you follow your “if it truly happened,” with an “if said beating was itself an act of self defense by an unarmed kid.” You do realize that the latter may also not be true.

Hence the reason I used the word “if”, which implies that I see it simply as a possibility; unlike some posters here who seem to automatically assume that the “beating” really happened.

 

[rlg94086]

So did Martin not have that same right to use lethal force? He was the one being chased by a man with a gun for heaven’ sake!

You, nor I, know the mindset of Martin at the time. We also don’t know enough detail about what Zimmerman was doing. You paint the picture of Martin being chased by a man with a gun (presupposing that Martin knew he had a gun…he wouldn’t, unless Zimmerman told him or was brandishing the gun). You are adding detail that we don’t have.

 

[rlg94086]

Hence the reason I used the word “if”, which implies that I see it simply as a possibility; unlike some posters here who seem to automatically assume that the “beating” really happened.

Your posts ooze with assumption. I guess its easier for you to see it in other posters’ offerings, without recognizing it in your own.