Witnesses tell FBI that George Zimmerman is no racist

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rlg94086 said:
I don’t think it was “an order.” IIRC, they said “we don’t need you to follow him.” He didn’t break any laws by following him. He apparently thought Martin was a potential threat to the community and didn’t want to lose him before the police arrived.
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It wasn’t his job to play police. This is what led to Trayvon’s death.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
Holding someone down and beating their head in the ground doesn’t qualify as self-defense in any court of law or under any reasonable definition.
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But shooting someone does? Let me hear more of this amazing reasoning of yours…
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
God gave ME my life and the stewardship of it. Dispute THAT “little nugget”.
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You started this sub-topic, so you go first. Tell me where God commands us to be particularly concerned for our own lives as opposed to those around us.
 
kelvinf said:
Yes, you keep omitting the possibility that Martin felt threaten by Zimmerman and stood his grounds…Yeah, we know just Zimmerman’s version of the ordeal…But he has proven to be incredible.
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Okay, so the answer is to guess what we think Martin might have been experiencing? :confused: Seems pretty presumptive to me.
 
seekerz said:
You started this sub-topic, so you go first. Tell me where God commands us to be particularly concerned for our own lives as opposed to those around us.
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He answered: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”

IF we don’t love OURSELVES, how can we love our neighbor?
 
rlg94086 said:
Okay, so the answer is to guess what we think Martin might have been experiencing? :confused: Seems pretty presumptive to me.
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More presumptive than guessing that Zimmerman is telling the truth about the incident?
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
He answered: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”

IF we don’t love OURSELVES, how can we love our neighbor?
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Jesus upped that a notch: “Love one another as I have loved you”.

And by the way, loving oneself as much as one’s neighbor implies an equal, NOT a particular, concern for one’s life.
 
BarbG said:
I certainly haven’t read all 13 pages of this topic but have always felt since I first heard the story that even though Zimmerman felt threatened he certainly didn’t have to kill the young man – he obviously had a gun --couldn’t he just have"shot" him and NOT killed him???
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Based on the evidence of his medical condition after the incident as well as testimony of a witness, Zimmerman was being badly beaten.
His attacker was on top of him, and was not stopping.

Few people would have the skill to make a non-fatal shot in defense under those circumstances.
Fewer still would have the presence of mind to decide upon a non-fatal shot.

I believe the shooting to have been an act of self defense, and also a moral act.
 
rlg94086 said:
Okay, so the answer is to guess what we think Martin might have been experiencing? :confused: Seems pretty presumptive to me.
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The prosecutor has a tough job to do in such a case where the victim is not there to narrate his own version of the ordeal. There is a case because the prosecutor believes Zimmerman murdered a teenager. Maybe they can prove it or maybe not.

What is clear is that, this wouldn’t have occured if Zimmerman minded his business. He is the cause of the effect.
 
rlg94086 said:
Who has guessed that? I have no idea. You seem to have decided that he is lying, though. 🤷
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Now where did I decide that? Somewhere between the various versions of this story put out by his surrogates and now himself, the perjury debacle and the plain incongruity of a kid running AWAY from someone only to suddenly change track and decide to beat the stuffing out of them? Perhaps you’re right, I’d need a more stretchable imagination to ever be a juror on this case.
 
seekerz said:
And because he’s dead, his right to defend himself is irrelevant? Priceless.
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Totally irrelevant as to whether Zimmerman had the right to defend himself If Martin beaten Zimmerman to death it would be very relevant.
 
kelvinf said:
The prosecutor has a tough job to do in such a case where the victim is not there to narrate his own version of the ordeal. There is a case because the prosecutor believes Zimmerman murdered a teenager. Maybe they can prove it or maybe not.

What is clear is that, this wouldn’t have occured if Zimmerman minded his business. He is the cause of the effect.
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The problem is that the “mind your own business” attitude leads to a lot of crime, because people think they shouldn’t get involved and just leave it to the police. If you “mind your own business” when you see a suspicious person in your neighborhood, and your neighbor gets robbed or killed, did you do the right thing?

Certainly, I don’t see that Zimmerman did anything wrong, as long as he didn’t threaten Martin. If it is true Martin “felt” threatened by being followed, then beating first and asking questions later isn’t necessarily the best action to take…*if that’s what he did. *

There are too many “if’s” in all of this guesswork.
 
vz71 said:
Based on the evidence of his medical condition after the incident as well as testimony of a witness, Zimmerman was being badly beaten.
His attacker was on top of him, and was not stopping.

Few people would have the skill to make a non-fatal shot in defense under those circumstances.
Fewer still would have the presence of mind to decide upon a non-fatal shot.

I believe the shooting to have been an act of self defense, and also a moral act.
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Please cite the evidence you refer to, as I’m unaware of it.
 
estesbob said:
If Martin beaten Zimmerman to death it would be very relevant.
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Somehow, all due respect to online defense fund contributors, I very much doubt that it would have mattered this much if things had gone the other way.
 
kelvinf said:
It wasn’t his job to play police. This is what led to Trayvon’s death.
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Oversimplification.

One could just as easily blame Trayvon for attacking someone without provocation.
Or the drug use that put Trayvon in that city to begin with.
Or the repeated crimes in the area.
Or the dispatcher for not acting fast enough.
Or the rain.
Or any one of a hundred other facts.
 
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