Witnesses tell FBI that George Zimmerman is no racist

[Party_of_1]

You mean the girlfriend that didn’t call the police until she got her story straight?

No, I have no idea why she didn’t call the police or even Martin’s parents. I don’t know if it was to get her story straight, But if we are going to take everything she says at face value, we have to remember that she waited quite some time before she came forward. Why?

I know she was upset enough to go to the hospital the night of the shooting. But that doesn’t explain why her parents didn’t contact the police. Or why she wait so long after that to contact them. To me, that puts some questions on her credibility.

ACTUALLY ……The girlfriend is interviewed by the special prosecutor under oath i assume(see Youtube)…she states she was too sick (BP) to attend the funeral…but prior…Nancy Grace interviews the cousin of Martin April 2…he says he met Martins “girlfriend” at the funeral…someone didn’t get their stories straight.

 

[seekerz]

ACTUALLY ……The girlfriend is interviewed by the special prosecutor under oath i assume(see Youtube)…she states she was too sick (BP) to attend the funeral…but prior…Nancy Grace interviews the cousin of Martin April 2…he says he met Martins “girlfriend” at the funeral…someone didn’t get their stories straight.

And you know which of the two has given the correct story? It would be pretty pathetic to lie about an easily verifiable act like attending a funeral. Ultimately, everything hinges on what people choose to believe…the jury included.

Zimmerman’s Neighborhood Watch buddy (and later, also a friend who toured the cable channels) insisted to Nancy Grace that they were justifiably suspicious of “young black males” because most of the recent burglaries had involved perpetrators fitting that description. But to suggest that this was simply a case of racial profiling gone bad, would not go down too well in the Zimmerman ‘defense’ camp…

Who’s telling the truth? Was there an aura of suspicion in the neighborhood that made Trayvon a target? It depends on who you ask now, or whose interview you go back and listen to…

 

[seekerz]

Until they got an order for his phone records, they would have had no idea he was even on the phone. But she knew. And she claims she knew what he was thinking. But her solution was to keep it to herself.

So yes, my first thought was, is she trying to get her story straight. According to her mother, the girlfriend was so upset that she was rushed to the hospital.

Putting myself in her shoes, I would have wanted to help the police find out what happened. It would have been worth whatever trouble I might have been in with my parents to be sure to help my friend, boy or not.
Sorry, I was raised to help when I could. Not to hide from the police. It is hard for me to understand someone that would raise their child to distance themselves from reporting something to the police. How do you expect the police to help if you won’t help them??

Maybe not every community has had the same experiences with the police. In my family, anybody who got involved with the police, whether or not they were guility of anything whatsoever, was someone associated with ‘trouble’ and to be avoided if at all possible.

 

[vz71]

If we had to exclude everything we did not know, there would be very little left to discuss other than that a kid is dead and a man admitted to pulling the trigger.

If we stick with what the evidence supports as well as eye witness testimony, we are left with a great deal.

It all appears to support what Zimmerman has been saying.

 

[vz71]

Why should the delay reflect on her credibility? If anything it should reflect on the quality of the police investigation, but I don’t see their credibility being questioned.

Do you have some evidence to indicate the credibility of the responding officers is to be questioned?

I put myself in the teen’s shoes and my immediate thought is that she might not have told her parents if the relationship was not one they knew/approved of. That’s the most common reason I’m aware of for girls not talking about their boyfriends to adults. In any event, delaying to come forward is hardly equivalent to suborning perjury…

There could be any number of reasons.
Perhaps the parents did not approve of the relationship.
Or perhaps she was aware of what was about to happen, and realized Trayvon could be in some serious trouble.

When I was growing up, the mere mention of the word ‘police’ was enough to make people want to distance themselves as far as possible from an incident. Nothing unusual in people not falling over themselves to contact police.

Fortunately the witness did not feel this way.

 

[vz71]

Until they got an order for his phone records, they would have had no idea he was even on the phone.

That is a very good point, that should be emphasized.

We cannot condemn the investigation of the responding officers for not contacting the girlfriend. They had no evidence that he was talking to anyone at all on the phone.

i suppose they could have checked the phone log, but all that would indicate was that he was on the phone several minutes before the incident, but was not on the phone at the time of the incident. In other words, whoever was on the other end was not a witness to anything.

 

[vz71]

The huge difference between this lady and Zimmerman is that, Zimmerman has proven to be a liar in the eyes of the whole world.

ACTUALLY ……The girlfriend is interviewed by the special prosecutor under oath i assume(see Youtube)…she states she was too sick (BP) to attend the funeral…but prior…Nancy Grace interviews the cousin of Martin April 2…he says he met Martins “girlfriend” at the funeral…someone didn’t get their stories straight.

So what the difference really is would be the difference in the publicity of the lie.

It will be interesting to see if those that want to throw out Zimmerman’s word based upon a credibility issue will also toss out the girlfriend’s testimony.

 

[kelvinf]

So what the difference really is would be the difference in the publicity of the lie.

It will be interesting to see if those that want to throw out Zimmerman’s word based upon a credibility issue will also toss out the girlfriend’s testimony.

Why? Zimmerman has lied under oath! We all know that and that’s a crime. The girl didn’t call the police for reasons we don’t know. But we at least know that she was traumatised and hospitalised. How does that make her incredible?

 

[seekerz]

If we stick with what the evidence supports as well as eye witness testimony, we are left with a great deal.

It all appears to support what Zimmerman has been saying.

Show me how, because frankly I don’t see it.

 

[seekerz]

That is a very good point, that should be emphasized.

We cannot condemn the investigation of the responding officers for not contacting the girlfriend. They had no evidence that he was talking to anyone at all on the phone.

i suppose they could have checked the phone log, but all that would indicate was that he was on the phone several minutes before the incident, but was not on the phone at the time of the incident. In other words, whoever was on the other end was not a witness to anything.

Are the police not allowed to check the last number a dead person called when the cell phone is in their possession? In my mind, that’s as important as checking who saw the victim last!

 

[seekerz]

Do you have some evidence to indicate the credibility of the responding officers is to be questioned?

There could be any number of reasons.
Perhaps the parents did not approve of the relationship.
Or perhaps she was aware of what was about to happen, and realized Trayvon could be in some serious trouble.

Fortunately the witness did not feel this way.

How do you know what the witness felt? I can well imagine a struggle for the parents: to do the right thing versus shield their daughter from involvement with police. In the end though, neither you nor I know what they felt.

 

[kelvinf]

Are the police not allowed to check the last number a dead person called when the cell phone is in their possession? In my mind, that’s as important as checking who saw the victim last!

In fact, it’s strange that they made such an omission.

 

[maryjk]

In fact, it’s strange that they made such an omission.

It depends.

Was the phone in his hand? On the ground? Tossed into the bushes? Lost in the fight? In his pocket?

Without knowing where it was, we can only speculate as to why they didn’t call the number.

In fact, we are speculating that they didn’t call the number. It could be that they did, and the girlfriend didn’t answer.

We just don’t know.

 

[vz71]

Are the police not allowed to check the last number a dead person called when the cell phone is in their possession? In my mind, that’s as important as checking who saw the victim last!

They are allowed.
It is a question of relevence. The call clearly was not made at the time of the incident.

Also, the person on the other end of the phone is not the last person to see them alive.

Police want to speak to the last person to see someone alive because they can testify as to what they saw. The person on the phone saw nothing.

 

[vz71]

How do you know what the witness felt? I can well imagine a struggle for the parents: to do the right thing versus shield their daughter from involvement with police. In the end though, neither you nor I know what they felt.

I know the eyewitness did not feel that way because they did come forward.

 

[vz71]

It depends.

Was the phone in his hand? On the ground? Tossed into the bushes? Lost in the fight? In his pocket?

Without knowing where it was, we can only speculate as to why they didn’t call the number.

In fact, we are speculating that they didn’t call the number. It could be that they did, and the girlfriend didn’t answer.

We just don’t know.

Let’s not let the facts get in the way of good speculation.

We may yet be able to speculate the guilt and heinous wrongdoing of everyone else involved accept Trayvon.
Perhaps we will even find a speculative halo that fell from his head after he was shot.

 

[vz71]

Show me how, because frankly I don’t see it.

Zimmerman claimed his head was banged against the concrete by Trayvon.
There are indeed lacerations on the back of his head to support this.

Zimmerman claimed Trayvon hit him in the face.
Medical evidence as well as the witness of the responding officer and medical personel indicate that his nose was broken.

Zimmerman claimed that Trayvon was on top of him hitting him.
The eye witness saw the same. The blood stains from Trayvon on Zimmerman also support this positioning.

Zimmerman claimed that he was the one screaming for help.
The eye witness says the same.

There is a great deal of evidence to support what Zimmerman says happened.
Thus far, every alternative explanation I have been provided does one of two things.
Either the alternative ignores evidence that is in conflict with it, or the alternative assumes things that evidence does not provide.

 

[kelvinf]

That is a very good point, that should be emphasized.

We cannot condemn the investigation of the responding officers for not contacting the girlfriend. They had no evidence that he was talking to anyone at all on the phone.

i suppose they could have checked the phone log, but all that would indicate was that he was on the phone several minutes before the incident, but was not on the phone at the time of the incident. In other words, whoever was on the other end was not a witness to anything.

This ^. Seems like you were just speculating.

Whatever. I will rephrase to say that it would be / have been weird if the victim’s phone wasn’t processed.

 

[mtbender]

In fact, it’s strange that they made such an omission.

Do we know they didn’t? Was the girlfriends number listed as private or blocked when she called? Was the phone log a priority at that time? I am not sure it is even a priority at this time since it lends little to the case. To question the investigation based soley on assumptions seems a little reckless to me…

 

[kelvinf]

Do we know they didn’t?

I am not the one who first made that assumption. See posts #340 & #352.

Was the girlfriends number listed as private or blocked when she called? Was the phone log a priority at that time? I am not sure it is even a priority at this time since it lends little to the case. To question the investigation based soley on assumptions seems a little reckless to me…

Seriously? You think the phone logs of both the shooter and the victim in a murder case (and other cases) aren’t a priority? And that it lends litte to the case? Are the 911 recordings also irrelevent? Don’t they more or less bring to view Zimmerman’s phone logs?

I mean, it should be standard procedure to process all items in a crime scene.(!) And I believe that’s what’s done in any solid investigation.