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Benjamin8o8
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No I`m not denying it:blush: I just thought Muslim Woman and others didnt condone those actions but I suppose I was wrong
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jakasaki
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Quote from the vid:
to strike violently or forcefully and repeatedly
to strike repeated blows; pound
Definition of beating;
to strike violently or forcefully and repeatedly
to strike repeated blows; pound
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Booklover
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And the madness continues! And the irony is that when we try to warn others we’re accused of being hate mongers, and the real hatred is inscribed in the laws of Islam.
Vickie
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GraceDK
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Imagine being hit as a grown up by another grown up who has his other hand on the hadith or the sunna of the prophet, that is, the authority of allah to maltreat you.Quote from the vid:
Definition of beating;
to strike violently or forcefully and repeatedly
to strike repeated blows; pound
Beating is extremely dehumanising, disrespectful, humiliating and frightening. This is the reality that women in Muslim cultures live under.
In the western world domestic violence is forbidden… but when you go to the Middle East the legislation inspired by christianity is not there to protect the dignity of these poor Muslim women and children.
Again, I encourage all Catholics to study the facts… This movement called Islam is no small sect but a major ideology that dehumanises and brainwashes its followers in the same way as communism and nazism did… and it has already caused endless casualties.
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GraceDK
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Muslim woman… this is especially for you. There is no violence in it that would then make you feel you have to deny it, only a Lebanese woman who is talking about the circumstances of arab women there and how they are maltreated with no one to help them…
Vickie, I also think you should see this …
youtube.com/watch?v=ouztv-tRPKM&NR=1
Interesting in particular how the woman says: In the west the woman has a personality (also Hirsi Ali speaks of this in her book “Infidel”… there is a fatwa on her of course because she expresses deep critizism of Islam), and the western woman is aware of her rights; she can get help from the authorities if she is abused, unlike in arab societies.
Vickie, I also think you should see this …
youtube.com/watch?v=ouztv-tRPKM&NR=1
Interesting in particular how the woman says: In the west the woman has a personality (also Hirsi Ali speaks of this in her book “Infidel”… there is a fatwa on her of course because she expresses deep critizism of Islam), and the western woman is aware of her rights; she can get help from the authorities if she is abused, unlike in arab societies.
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GraceDK
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This is the last clip I post on this thread because it says it all… be prepared to have REALITY leave its lasting impression on you.
youtube.com/watch?v=x2EFCYc2JhY&feature=related
Anyone who wants to defend the clothing seen in this video or the attrocities against women as we WITNESS here (really against us all as human beings) are truly SICK in the head.
We must resist.
youtube.com/watch?v=x2EFCYc2JhY&feature=related
Anyone who wants to defend the clothing seen in this video or the attrocities against women as we WITNESS here (really against us all as human beings) are truly SICK in the head.
We must resist.
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CJ_Nick
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Hello all,
Was going to offer my 2 cents but after reading the contributions of GraceDK on this thread, I will simply say " YOU GO GRACEDK !!!
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Peace,
CJ
Was going to offer my 2 cents but after reading the contributions of GraceDK on this thread, I will simply say " YOU GO GRACEDK !!!
)Peace,
CJ
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Booklover
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I watched this one as well. It’s disgusting! Muslim Woman and Sister Amy is this how Islam respects women?? I dare you to watch this!
And this kind of behavior is what they want to impose on the rest of us as well. Wake up, please stop burying your heads in the sand. This is the sheer face of evil!
Vickie
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Booklover
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I wholeheartedly agree! Her posts are excellent!Hello all,
Was going to offer my 2 cents but after reading the contributions of GraceDK on this thread, I will simply say " YOU GO GRACEDK !!!
Peace,
CJ
Vickie
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GraceDK
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youtube.com/watch?v=0nUI3TUdFCk&feature=related
Vickie… here is one more… I think this clip is especially interesting because it shows some people who look very civilised who discuss in a democratic manner, yet there is a man among them who speaks and thinks like a devil and who is truly disturbed.
I can only really look up to these women in the clip, because they stay calm in the face of this madness… I think I would have wept or thrown up all over this guy if I had been listening to him face to face.
Your sister Grace :sad_bye:
Vickie… here is one more… I think this clip is especially interesting because it shows some people who look very civilised who discuss in a democratic manner, yet there is a man among them who speaks and thinks like a devil and who is truly disturbed.
I can only really look up to these women in the clip, because they stay calm in the face of this madness… I think I would have wept or thrown up all over this guy if I had been listening to him face to face.
Your sister Grace :sad_bye:
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jakasaki
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I was just watching that one before you posted it.
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GraceDK
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Nick and Vickie.Hello all,
Was going to offer my 2 cents but after reading the contributions of GraceDK on this thread, I will simply say " YOU GO GRACEDK !!!
Peace,
CJ
Thank you for your kind words, but I say all this not because I like to debate but because I feel pity for the Muslims. They are God’s beloved creatures like you and I and all of the Christians who are indifferent to their sufferings afflicted by the false prophet and his revelation are wrong… We are called to LOVE and to spread the Gospel so that people can be FREE and have their true identity in HIM.
Yet we have people even among our own who deny the darkness that chaines our neighbour. How can it be? I know people feel nice and tolerant when they are relativists… but Jesus was no relativist. He was TRUTH, the only way to the Father.
People desperately need our help. But we need to stand together in order to lift this heavy burden off their shoulders, so
COME ON CHURCH!
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Muslim_Woman
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In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful
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( before & even after 9/11 ) accepted Islam ? Why so many western women are rejecting the so-called freedom , becoming Muslims ? All are brainwashed ?
Europeans Revert to Islam for Peace: US Paper
http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2005-12/27/images/pic07.jpg
Sarah Joseph, an English revert
islamonline.net/English/News/2005-12/27/article07.shtml
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/4142BDK24PL.BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA240_SH20_OU01.jpg
Live Dialogue with
Carol L. Anway , Writer
Daughters of Another Path: Experiences of American Women Choosing Islam
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ask yourself : if Islam is that bad & degrades women , then why thousands western women
( before & even after 9/11 ) accepted Islam ? Why so many western women are rejecting the so-called freedom , becoming Muslims ? All are brainwashed ?
Europeans Revert to Islam for Peace: US Paper
http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2005-12/27/images/pic07.jpg
Sarah Joseph, an English revert
islamonline.net/English/News/2005-12/27/article07.shtml
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/4142BDK24PL.BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA240_SH20_OU01.jpg
Live Dialogue with
Carol L. Anway , Writer
Daughters of Another Path: Experiences of American Women Choosing Islam
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Booklover
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The women certainly didn’t look happy and they’re probably afraid to speak up because they’ll be beaten if they do! How can anyone condone this behaviour??
Vickie
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Booklover
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Must of those women who accept the slavery of Islam don’t know what they’re letting themselves in for. They are brainwashed just like you are and accept the lies told them by their sheiks just like Sister Amy has done who has been led to believe that Islam treats women better than Christianity!
Why do you continue acting like a robot and post this nonsense?
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GraceDK
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You ask why many women become Muslims. Well, again I can only speak of my own country and my own experiences.
In my country many secular women meet and marry a man who is from a Muslim back ground although he might not be very reflected in his faith. As a formality the women then becomes Muslim according to the rules and traditions (related to honour etc) of male-dominated Muslim culture.
I have only met one really reflected Muslim in my country who had left a non-believing background to become a Muslim. He now had adopted the totalitarian ideology and advocated stoning of adulterers and cutting of the hand of a thief etc.
When I met him first time and spoke to him at the mosque I saw a young man who had grown up in democracy and had adopted Islam… at that time I knew something was completely sick in Islam… just like it is not only idiots that became involved with the Nazi-party… so here too are also bright minds led astray by the devil. The devil is very cunning and highly intelligent… do not doubt that.
Since Islam has a rule about women becoming muslims in order to be accepted as the wife its very logical that these numbers of empty conversion appear in western countries.
I had a rather close friend who was a convert to Islam from atheism. His life had been full of promiscuity and immodesty and he was miserable. He fell for a muslim girl and therefore he became a Muslim. He was lost and this law religion gave some structure and a feeling of identity to him, yet when I really asked him about your prophet and the sharia it was evident that he was not convinced at all… he did not even believe in sharia, thought the hadith was unexcusable (unlike you at least he had the humane integrety to admit it) and he also drank alcohol etc.
Then I met a fallen away Muslim. Even though he was an apostate- when he fell in love with me - he asked me to become Muslim and marry him. I said I would never leave my Lord for a false religion. This person was one of the most ignorant men I have ever known. He did not know Jesus was a Jew, didn’t know that there were Jews in Israel 2000 years ago etc.etc. But at least he was honest… he told me he had become honest when he became a non-believer and now he hated religion(islam) because it was full of hypocrisy.
The statistics that you keep pointing to are then lacking for me. I know that in many countries millions of people become Christians every year, as they turn away from paganism and islam, even though they are often get persecuted or even killed for following Christ. This is the kind of conversion that is worth the mention.
I met a lady who had left Islam when she met the living Christ. And a former Muslim who is now a pastor and who is writing books and preaching especially to the immigrants here so that they may come to the light.
etc.etc. I am sure none of this interests you.
But the point is… that the numbers you refer to (just like when you say islam is the fastest growing religion today which we all know is your wishthinking only) are not evident to me, especially from the point of view where we speak of real reflected conversions of the heart.
As a last comment I want to make clear I am a big critiq of modern western secularism and the cultures of death, although I believe in the freedom rights of people both to choose this culture, its sins, their rights to write and speak freely, choose whatever religion they want and to follow their own conscience.
I believe in holy living, modesty that respects the woman’s and man’s dignity (which islamist clothes do not… on the contrary) prayer, almsgiving, pilgrimages, but more than practises I believe in LOVE and TRUTH who are two names for GOD.
I would at any time rather live as a free woman in Europe than in one of the Islamic states and you know why, deep down, I am sure.
I promote Christ as the only person who represents the dignity of the human person, man and woman, as created in the image of God, worthy of absolute respect, honesty and love, because He loved us first and únlike allah, God loved us while we were still sinners…
You have yet to critizise any of the attrocities that have been comitted by your fellow Muslims as I and others have repeatedly shown to you on this thread.
Excuse the length of this post, but unlike you I go deep into the topic and take your statements serious and I test your words.
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Love_the_Lorax
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GraceDK,
You are doing a wonderful job of articulating the truth. I truly wish I had your ability to write so clearly. Muslim Woman’s responses that don’t really address the true issues at hand, and it is so sad to keep reading the same programmed responses.
Keep it up!
You are doing a wonderful job of articulating the truth. I truly wish I had your ability to write so clearly. Muslim Woman’s responses that don’t really address the true issues at hand, and it is so sad to keep reading the same programmed responses.
Keep it up!
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CJ_Nick
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AMEN !!!
All I can say, AGAIN, is " YOU GO GRACEDK "
" YOU GO GIRL !!!
"Peace,
CJ
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meedo
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‘‘The married girl was accused of stepping out of her house with her father-in-law, an act the Taleban describes as un-Islamic. The Taleban allows women out on the street only when they are accompanied by their husbands.’’
According to the article you posted , the above is the offence that the girl has committed in the eyes of the Taliban.
This may be an offence in their eyes but not in Islam’s eyes. In the time of the prophet hismelf ladies went out in the streets a lone all the time. Many worked and many travelled.
Islam doesn’t have a punishment for what she did. With better education in their own faith they can learn better .
However Islam is not responsible for their actions. Flogging as a punishment is done when a not previously married person ( male or female) have intercourse with a person of the opposite Gender. For homosexuality the punishment is death. There must be 4 witness for the punishment to be carried . Or it could be carried by willing confession. ( not under any way of duress) . There is no other way to apply the punishment ( not even pregnancy of an unmarried woman and i know some ignorant people in some countries do not follow that but that is their problem and not Islam)
In short , there is nothing in Islam that justifies the punishment that this lady got.
As for barbarism . I believe that God laws should be applied no matter what . If that makes me a barbarian then i am one of them . It is better that i am called barbarian on earth . Than tell God that i was too shy of a bunch of non believers who considered your own laws barbarian.
In the Holy book of the Christian religion there exists all sorts of violence and ‘‘barbarism’’ by God himself. But christians seem to be ashamed of it . And then comes the double personality God of the OT and the NT . One is so barbarian and one does nothing at all.
I like Islam because it doesn’t bow to people. Just put it as it is and doesn’t care . Flogging will be flogging not because Muslims are blood thirsty but because we value God laws over public relations.
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Benjamin8o8
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Hey brother,
How are you so sure that these are Gods laws and not Mohammeds justification for murder and brutality?
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