Woman beaten publically in the name of Islam

[qui_est_ce]

I would at any time rather live as a free woman in Europe than in one of the Islamic states and you know why, deep down, I am sure.

I promote Christ as the only person who represents the dignity of the human person, man and woman, as created in the image of God, worthy of absolute respect, honesty and love, because He loved us first and únlike allah, God loved us while we were still sinners…

You have yet to critizise any of the attrocities that have been comitted by your fellow Muslims as I and others have repeatedly shown to you on this thread.

Excuse the length of this post, but unlike you I go deep into the topic and take your statements serious and I test your words.

You go GraceDK. Every day I am thankful to be a Catholc in the free world

Has anyone read A Thousand Splendid Suns by Khaled Hosseini?

It is a sad account of what many Afghan women are experiencing at the hands of their “beloved” husbands experienced.

 

[Booklover]

Hey brother,

How are you so sure that these are Gods laws and not Mohammeds justification for murder and brutality?

Don’t you know? Muhammad is Allah’s prophet and Allah told him so!

Vickie

 

[jakasaki]

‘‘The married girl was accused of stepping out of her house with her father-in-law, an act the Taleban describes as un-Islamic. The Taleban allows women out on the street only when they are accompanied by their husbands.’’

It not like the girl was out walking the streets alone. She had a male guardian and escort.

According to the article you posted , the above is the offence that the girl has committed in the eyes of the Taliban.

 

[kalt]

‘‘The married girl was accused of stepping out of her house with her father-in-law, an act the Taleban describes as un-Islamic. The Taleban allows women out on the street only when they are accompanied by their husbands.’’

According to the article you posted , the above is the offence that the girl has committed in the eyes of the Taliban.

This may be an offence in their eyes but not in Islam’s eyes. In the time of the prophet hismelf ladies went out in the streets a lone all the time. Many worked and many travelled.

Islam doesn’t have a punishment for what she did. With better education in their own faith they can learn better .

However Islam is not responsible for their actions. Flogging as a punishment is done when a not previously married person ( male or female) have intercourse with a person of the opposite Gender. For homosexuality the punishment is death. There must be 4 witness for the punishment to be carried . Or it could be carried by willing confession. ( not under any way of duress) . There is no other way to apply the punishment ( not even pregnancy of an unmarried woman and i know some ignorant people in some countries do not follow that but that is their problem and not Islam)

In short , there is nothing in Islam that justifies the punishment that this lady got.

As for barbarism . I believe that God laws should be applied no matter what . If that makes me a barbarian then i am one of them . It is better that i am called barbarian on earth . Than tell God that i was too shy of a bunch of non believers who considered your own laws barbarian.

In the Holy book of the Christian religion there exists all sorts of violence and ‘‘barbarism’’ by God himself. But christians seem to be ashamed of it . And then comes the double personality God of the OT and the NT . One is so barbarian and one does nothing at all.

I like Islam because it doesn’t bow to people. Just put it as it is and doesn’t care . Flogging will be flogging not because Muslims are blood thirsty but because we value God laws over public relations.

Did you think your post was supportive of Islam? That it would make Islam look like the religion of peace Muslims try to tell Christians it is?

 

[jakasaki]

Did you think your post was supportive of Islam? That it would make Islam look like the religion of peace Muslims try to tell Christians it is?

He is very supportive of islam… look the quote… it speaks a 1000 words…

islam does NOT bow to people… people bow to islam!!!
flogging will be flogging… hey go ahead and whip all you want…
not because we are blood thirty…
allahs laws over public relations… meaning human rights.

I like Islam because it doesn’t bow to people. Just put it as it is and doesn’t care . Flogging will be flogging not because Muslims are blood thirsty but because we value God laws over public relations.

 

[emarc]

the graphic did not post here but i found this article quite interesting.

"The relative indifference of the Islamic world to the plight of black

Muslims is nothing short of breathtaking. While 300,000 Africans

have lost their lives to Arab genocide in the past six years, the
only Muslim protest has actually been in defense of their killers."

may not directly related to the OP but shows how “islamic” justice works.
thereligionofpeace.com/
God bless.

 

[famdigy]

This is terrible, but i’m not surprised, we already know these people are barbarians.

 

[MrDickerson]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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ask yourself : if Islam is that bad & degrades women , then why thousands western women
( before & even after 9/11 ) accepted Islam ? Why so many western women are rejecting the so-called freedom , becoming Muslims ? All are brainwashed ?

Europeans Revert to Islam for Peace: US Paper

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Sarah Joseph, an English revert

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Daughters of Another Path: Experiences of American Women Choosing Islam

Because they’re idiots. Lots of women have a “bad boy complex” and Islam represents that. Hardly surprising! These liberal, Western white women might convert to Islam voluntarily, but I wonder how many of them will remain Muslim voluntarily after their foreign, smelly, oily, barbarian Muslim husbands (who acted like Prince Charming before the marriage) begin to enforce the real Islam in the home and start beating them as the Quran exhorts. Then they will realize that they’re not their husband’s helpmate as in Christianity, but merely the “slave which his right hand possesses.”

 

[Reuben_J]

Islam doesn’t have a punishment for what she did. With better education in their own faith they can learn better .

Noted. Thanks God it’s not from Islam.

There are always adherents of religion who interpret religious laws wrongly. Sometimes cultural thing does shape people behavior and incorporate it into religious practices.

Catholics are not short of this experience either. Fortunately many such cruel practices are not done now as they have known better.

In short there is nothing in Islam that justifies the punishment that this lady got.

That’s what I thought too.

As for barbarism . I believe that God laws should be applied no matter what . If that makes me a barbarian then i am one of them . It is better that i am called barbarian on earth . Than tell God that i was too shy of a bunch of non believers who considered your own laws barbarian.

In the Holy book of the Christian religion there exists all sorts of violence and ‘‘barbarism’’ by God himself. But christians seem to be ashamed of it . And then comes the double personality God of the OT and the NT . One is so barbarian and one does nothing at all.

I guess this is the difference between Islam and Christianity.

But first of all, Christians are NOT ashamed of the cruelty that happened in the Old Testaments. Please get that into your head. No, they are not ashamed of the Old Testament. These things happened and Christians are not in denial of them.

God does NOT change and He does NOT have double personality. Please note this.

What changes is situation and time. Jesus makes the difference. Jesus has paid the ransom for humanity sin so that the events of the OT would not recur.

Was the OT God cruel? Maybe but He is a true God who is also true to his law and nature. But He paid the price of sin Himself so that the ‘cruelty’ of OT will be avoided forever.

With Jesus there would be no OT cruelty anymore. It would be things of the past and now is the new era – because of Jesus.

The difference in Islam is that it still drags itself into the OT era. It does not acknowledge the saving grace of the cross that once and for all wipes off the sad days of the OT.

Please bro, God does not change. God never lies. God is love. He paid the price of sin Himself so that humans do not have to experience it. Again. Ever.

I like Islam because it doesn’t bow to people. Just put it as it is and doesn’t care . Flogging will be flogging not because Muslims are blood thirsty but because we value God laws over public relations.

Perhaps by saying this you are implying that Christianity devices its doctrines to placate people’s objection. No such things, mind you. God’s love is much more than we can ever imagine.

There is no flogging today because by the stripes of Jesus we are healed. He was flogged in our place. And this is no public relation but the truth about the love of God who considers His people His children.

 

[kalt]

Because they’re idiots. Lots of women have a “bad boy complex” and Islam represents that. Hardly surprising! These liberal, Western white women might convert to Islam voluntarily, but I wonder how many of them will remain Muslim voluntarily after their foreign, smelly, oily, barbarian Muslim husbands (who acted like Prince Charming before the marriage) begin to enforce the real Islam in the home and start beating them as the Quran exhorts. Then they will realize that they’re not their husband’s helpmate as in Christianity, but merely the “slave which his right hand possesses.”

Wow! “foreign, smelly, oily” The same was said of my immigrant Italian ancestors.

The rest of your post is true for too many women who marry Muslim men and move to Muslim-run countries.

Their stories were newsworthy in the 80’s, but I haven’t seen anything in the mainstream press lately.

 

[Love_the_Lorax]

New article about how Islamic forces are taking control in Pakistan, here is a section of it:

"Where tourists once frolicked, extremists are laying the groundwork for religious courts to dispense brutal punishments under their harsh interpretation of Islamic law.

The leader of the group, Sufi Mohammad, said penalties including flogging, chopping off hands and stoning to death must be available to Swat’s Islamic courts.

Floggings are the proper punishment for sexual intercourse between unmarried people, drinking alcohol and slander, Mohammad said. Thieves should have their hands chopped off, except for poor people who steal to feed themselves. The punishment for adultery is death by stoning.

“These punishments are prescribed in Islam. No one can stop that. It is God’s law,” said Mohammad, sitting on the floor in his makeshift headquarters in Mingora, the regional capital. Mohammad, the head of the Tehreek-e-Nafaz-e-Shariaht-e-Mohammadi, or Movement for the Enforcement of Islamic Law, spoke in a rare interview with McClatchy."

Yes, I see how Islam is a religion of peace… a beautiful religion of peace and tolerance for all Islamic men following its dictates strictly. Otherwise, be very afraid. Sorry, it doesn’t matter what Muslim Woman, Sister Amy, etc. say on the forums about how wonderful their religion is to its followers. Once again, the results of Islamic control have made themselves evident. What is it the Bible says? You shall know them by their fruits. The fruit of Islam is not peace and love, anything but.

 

[Jamison97]

I say stop the hate and instead bow to God.

 

[qui_est_ce]

There are always adherents of religion who interpret religious laws wrongly. Sometimes cultural thing does shape people behavior and incorporate it into religious practices.

Catholics are not short of this experience either. Fortunately many such cruel practices are not done now as they have known better.

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God does NOT change and He does NOT have double personality. Please note this.

What changes is situation and time. Jesus makes the difference. Jesus has paid the ransom for humanity sin so that the events of the OT would not recur.

Was the OT God cruel? Maybe but He is a true God who is also true to his law and nature. But He paid the price of sin Himself so that the ‘cruelty’ of OT will be avoided forever.

With Jesus there would be no OT cruelty anymore. It would be things of the past and now is the new era – because of Jesus.

The difference in Islam is that it still drags itself into the OT era. It does not acknowledge the saving grace of the cross that once and for all wipes off the sad days of the OT.

Please bro, God does not change. God never lies. God is love. He paid the price of sin Himself so that humans do not have to experience it. Again. Ever.

Perhaps by saying this you are implying that Christianity devices its doctrines to placate people’s objection. No such things, mind you. God’s love is much more than we can ever imagine.

There is no flogging today because by the stripes of Jesus we are healed. He was flogged in our place. And this is no public relation but the truth about the love of God who considers His people His children.

This is a great post ReubeJ. You have put in a nutshell what Christians find so wrong about Islam.

There are Christian religions that distort God’s Truth to fit their personal agendas, just as there are Islamists who do this (viz Taliban, Sunni, etc.).

Which truths do Islamists hold in common? Do they all interpret the suras the same?

 

[qui_est_ce]

The rest of your post is true for too many women who marry Muslim men and move to Muslim-run countries.

Their stories were newsworthy in the 80’s, but I haven’t seen anything in the mainstream press lately.

My American cousin was studying pharmacy in Germany and married an educated, secular Muslim Egyptian pharmacist she met there. They moved back to Egypt and had two children. After this, he decided to return to the faith and took another younger wife.
Luckily he let her come to the U.S. to visit her parents with the children. She went into hiding because he came after her to take the children. If she had left him while still in Egypt, she would have had no rights to them. This was 15 years ago, and while I think things in Egypt might have changed since, it has stayed the same or gotten worse in other countries.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

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took another younger wife.

a woman may add condition in her marriage contract that as long as she is married to him , he can’t take other wife. In that case , husband will re-marry only after divorce takes place.

. She went into hiding because he came after her to take the children.

It’s father’s responsibility to bear all the expenses of his kids. Kids are allowed to give opinion with whom they will stay. Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) once gave custody to a mother because kid told him so.

If she had left him while still in Egypt, she would have had no rights to them.

Normally court settles down this matter . If a mother gets the custody , father is allowed to see the kids once a week ; also if father gets the custody , mom can also visit her kids. It’s sad that sometimes , either wife deprives husband from seeing the kids or the vice versa.

 

[qui_est_ce]

a woman may add condition in her marriage contract that as long as she is married to him , he can’t take other wife. In that case , husband will re-marry only after divorce takes place.

It’s father’s responsibility to bear all the expenses of his kids. Kids are allowed to give opinion with whom they will stay. Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) once gave custody to a mother because kid told him so.

Normally court settles down this matter . If a mother gets the custody , father is allowed to see the kids once a week ; also if father gets the custody , mom can also visit her kids. It’s sad that sometimes , either wife deprives husband from seeing the kids or the vice versa.

Thank you.

The whole situation was sad. She really was fleeing. At the time, courts always sided in man’s favor.

 

[Ran]

a woman may add condition in her marriage contract that as long as she is married to him , he can’t take other wife. In that case , husband will re-marry only after divorce takes place.

But all the man has to do is say “I divorce you” three times. Unless the woman is 25 or younger and has not kids the divorced wife is basically “used meat”. Sad way to term it but that’s the nature of Islam and the Middle East. So the truth, whether you admit it or not, is that if a Muslim man in a Muslim country wants another wife he is going to get another wife regardless of what his wife/s says.

 

[Ran]

I fully agee with you. Such remarks are totally uncalled for and are not acceptabel behavior.

 

[GraceDK]

So tell me brother: how many cases of islamic flogging have you witnessed live?

I might address you to other videos posted on this thread that also show the violence of the religious police in taleban-regions of afghanistan and pakistan as well as in other arab countries… One lady in a clip speaks about the cabel wire tendency: she said all over the middle east she has come across the same widespread phenomenon: men beating their wives with wires… see the clips… you might get surprised.

Do you also deny the validity of the secret recordings made during the taleban regime some years ago where burka-veiled women were publicly executed by a shot in the back of their neck on a public soccer field in Kabul??? I saw these clips some years ago and it send shock waves through the core of my being. I realised that the world has failed these women so much… and the church has failed too in adressing evil and calling it by its true name.
I cannot believe you have been to the region of pakistan where this recoding was made and therefore your sounding like an expert here is somewhat close to ridiculuos. Sorry, but thats the truth. I have been in the Middle East too and what I experienced there made it only plausible for me that this recording is factual. Neither do I fathom with what prospect you defend these crimes? Go and study the severe maltreatment of Christians all over the Muslim world.
A while back a girl who was gang raped by islamists in Pakistan. This teenager was raped infront of her parents whom these men had discovered were Christians. Why? the aim was despair of course… both in the girl and in her parents that were forced to watch…
A somali girl was stoned to death for premarital sex in Somalia a while back. She was 13 and her offence was: she had been gangraped and was pregnant through the rape. when she went to the hospital she was arrested and now she is dead. Do you want to be the lawyer of the devil?
Weekly we have news about women who are severely maltreated by muslim men in and outside my country. It takes only a minute research to find out the facts about this. I wonder why you deny it, and precisely what it is you deny?

There is ridiculously many testimonies of people who have escaped the hell of Islam. I would say: start with the book “Infidel” by Ayaan Hirsi Ali. Then you can move on to endless other books and net-resources like islam-watch.org etc etc… There is a fatwa out on Hirsi Ali’s head by the way… she will tell you about destinies so horrible that you will eventually have to wake up.

Peace-

 

[Reuben_J]

… Do you want to be the lawyer of the devil?

Weekly we have news about women who are severely maltreated by muslim men in and outside my country. It takes only a minute research to find out the facts about this. I wonder why you deny it, and precisely what it is you deny?

There is ridiculously many testimonies of people who have escaped the hell of Islam. I would say: start with the book “Infidel” by Ayaan Hirsi Ali. Then you can move on to endless other books and net-resources like islam-watch.org etc etc… There is a fatwa out on Hirsi Ali’s head by the way… she will tell you about destinies so horrible that you will eventually have to wake up.

Peace-

If we talk about social happenings then all the news that being reproduced here will be good topics for discussion. If however we try to tie it to a religion, in this case Islam, then we can expect Muslims to explain them.

A Muslim poster had addressed this. The action was done by Muslims but it was not of Islam. I think we can take his word for this. He did admit that Islam prescribes flogging but in certain situations and there are controlled procedures for it. He did not apologize for flogging and I thought that was a candid post.

We have to bear in mind the abuses that had been perpetuated by Catholics in the past in the name of Christianity. We do not burn people at stakes now because we have evolved and learned. The poster said the same about his Muslim brethrens.

I guess the whole thing is about credibility. It is pretty obvious we do not agree with Islam and vice versa and there are plenty absolute facts to back us up. Resorting to doubtful sites and basing the actions of Muslims which many Muslims disassociate with will not further our cause because it will make us no difference to those Muslims who do the same to us.