Women and head coverings

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I hear ya…I think eventually their will be a shift back towards more traditional Catholicism and the younger generation will embrace the traditions, and as a result, the older generations will be re-introduced to it and embrace it themselves once again.
In my diocese that number is 100% and in my short 40 years here on earth I had never even heard of or seen a woman wearing a chapel veil until 4-5 years ago when I attended the baptism of my God son at Boys Town chapel in the omaha area.

I would like my wife to wear one but it is up to her. Not me.
 
I am 41 and remember my mother wearing a mantilla till I was 6 and then it was gone. Our No Mass was very reverent till the last pastor came about 15 years ago then I started going to the TLM.
I veil at Mass and in church. It is not that hard. I have baby fine hair and it slips off. I just wear a headband or pull it up and pin my mantilla to it. I never have to fuss with it at all during Mass and it stays in place. 90% of the women at my Church veil, a few cover with hats and some don’t cover at all. I always keep a mantilla in my purse, it’s not so hard, just like my rosary beads.
Kathleen
 
Could somebody tell me please where in Scripture or our teachings it says women are to have their head covered?

I am not being facetious, but rather am very interested in why this was a rule once.
I would have no problem following this rule if it was re-introduced.

Thank you
mortuummundo.blogspot.com/2006/12/veil.html

Derived from a book in progress called:

The Unveiled Woman

by Jackie Freppon

During the second Vatican Council, a mob of reporters waited for news after a council meeting. One of them asked Msgr. Annibale Bugnini, then secretary of the Vatican Congregation for Divine Worship, if women still had to wear a headcover in the churches. His response was that the Bishops were considering other issues, and that women’s veils were not on the agenda.

The next day, the international press annouced throughout the world that women did not have to wear the veil anymore. A few days later, Msgr. Bugnini told the press he was misquoted and women still had to wear the veil. But the press did not retract the error, and many women stopped wearing the veil as out of confusion and because of pressure from feminist groups.

Before the revision in 1983, Canon law had stated that women must cover their heads “…especially when they approach the holy table” (can.1262.2). But in order to reduce such a growing collection of books, the new version of Canon law was subjected to concise changes. In the process, mention of head coverings was omitted.

In 1970, Pope Paul VI promulgated the Roman Missal, ignoring mention of women’s veils. But at the time the missal was published, it didn’t seem necessary to keep mandatory such an obvious and universal practice, even if it no longer had a “normative” value (Inter insigniores, #4).

And mention in Canon law or the Roman Missal is not necessary to the continuation of the tradition, for it is rooted in Scripture and has been practiced ever since the early Church. Indeed, Pope John Paul II affirmed that the real sources of Canon law are the Sacred Tradition, especially as reflected in the ecumenical councils, and Sacred Scripture (O.S.V. Catholic Encyclopedia, p 169).

SCRIPTURE

Sacred Scripture presents several reasons for wearing the veil. St. Paul tells us in his first letter to the Corinthians (11: 1-16) that we must cover our heads because it is Sacred Tradition commanded by our Lord Himself and entrusted to Paul: “The things I am writing you are the Lord’s commandments” (1 Cor 14: 37).

DIVINE HIERARCHY

God has established a hierarchy, in both the natural and the religious spheres, in which the female is subject to the male. St. Paul writes in 1st Corinthians: "But I would have you know that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is the man, and the head of Christ is God (1 Cor 11: 3).

And, in the institution of marriage, God gave the husband authority over the wife, but responsibility to her as well. Not only is he the family’s decision maker, but he is also responsible for the material and spiritual welfare of his wife and children. Man is not in this position to enslave or belittle the wife.

As the Bride (the Church) is subject to Jesus, women must wear the veil as a sign that they are subjected to men: “Let wives be subject to their husbands as to the Lord; because a husband is head of the wife, just as Christ is head of the Church” (Eph 5: 22-23). The man represent Jesus, therefore he should not cover his head.

However, this subjection is not derogatory to women, because in God’s kingdom everyone is subjected to a higher authority: “For as the women is from the man, so also is the man through the woman, but all things are from God” (1 Cor 11:12).

Furthermore, the symbolism of the veil takes that which is invisible, the order established by God, and makes it visible. In the history of the Church, priestly vestments have played a similar role.

WOMEN’S HONOR

It is an honor to wear the veil. But by publicly repudiating it, a woman dishonors her feminine dignity, her sign of female subjection, just as the military officer is dishonored when he is stripped of his decorations.

The Roman Pontifical contains the imposing ceremonial of the consecration of the veils: “Receive teh sacred veil, that thou mayest be known to have despised the world, and to be truly, humbly, and with all thy heart subject to Christ as his bride; and may He defend thee from all evil, and bring thee to life eternal” (Pontificale Romanum; de benedictione).

St. Paul says an unveiled woman is a dishonor: “But every woman praying or prophesying with her head uncovered disgraces her head, for it is the same as if she were shaven” (1 Cor 11:5).

(to be cont’d)
 
(…cont’d)

BECAUSE OF THE ANGELS

“That is why a woman ought to have a veil on her head, because of the angels” wronte St. Paul in 1 Cor 11:10. The invisible hierarchy should be respected because the angels are present at Christian liturgical assemblies, offering with us the Holy Sacrifice with the honor due to God. St John the Apostle wrote: “And another angel came and stood before the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given to him much incense that he might offer it with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar which is before the throne.” (Rev 8:3, see also Matt 18:10) They are offended by a lack of reverence at Mass, just as they abhorred King Herod’s acceptance of adoration from the people of Jerusalem: “But immediately an angel of the Lord struck (Herod) down, because he had not given honor to God, and he was eaten by worms and died.” (Acts 12:23).

ANCIENT TRADITION

The custom of wearing the veil was maintained in the primitive Churches of God (1 Cor 11:16). We see this in the first letter of Paul to the Corinthians. The women of Corinth beset by modern sensibilities, started coming to church without their heads covered. When St. Paul heard of their neglect, he wronte and urged them to keep the veil. According to St. Jerome’s commentary on the Bible, he finally settled the matter by saying head covering was a custom of the primitive communities of Judea, “the Churches of God” (1 Thess 2:14; 2 Thess 1:4), which had received this tradition from early times (2 Thess 2:15; 3:6).

GOD’S COMMAND

Even today some people erroneously belive that St. Paul based the tradition on his personal opinion. They think he did not intend it to be continued in the Universal Church, but only as local custom. This argument, however, does not conform to the Pauline spirit. After all, it was Paul who stood before Peter to change Jewish traditions in Christian churches (Gal 2: 11-21).

St. Paul reminds them: “for I did not receive it from man, nor was I taught it; but Ireceived it by a revelation of Jesus Christ” (Gal 1:12), referring to the authority of his ministry, and veracity of his words. Pope Linus, who succeeded St. Peter, enforced also the same tradition of women covering their heads in the church (The primitive church, TAN.) Our Lord warns us to obey His commandments: “He therefore that shall break one of the least of these commandments, and shall so teach men, shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven” (Matt 5:19).

CONCLUSION

In summary, the reasons that St. Paul advises women to cover their heads in the church are:

Our Lord commanded it;

It is a visible sign of an invisible order established by God;

The Angels at Mass are offended if women don’t use it;

It is a ceremonial vestment;

It is our heritage.

Christian women around the world have other reasons to wear a hat, mantilla, rebozo, gele, scarf, shawl, or veil. Some wear it out of respect to God; others, to obey the Pope’s request, or to continue family traditions. But the most important reason of all is because Our Lord said: “If you love me keep my commandments” (John 14:15).

We should always be ready with our bridal veils, waiting for Him and the promised wedding (Apoc 22:17), following the example of our Blessed Mother Mary, who never appeared before the eyes of men but properly veiled.

To those who still think that the veil is an obsolete custom, remember that: “Jesus Christ is the same, yesterday and today, yes, and forever” (Heb 13:8).
 
…ever heard of a Suit??? ever heard of a Tie? Ever heard of a pair of slacks and sports coat???
Ever heard of not having a job to support this sort of wardrobe? There are those who have jobs where they do not dress up all pretty and can’t afford to have two wardrobes to suite your tastes. While I strongly agree someone should be clean and neat and modest while attending mass, I certainly would not hold it against someone if they could not afford a tie and jacket. And I would be deeply saddened to know that someone stayed away from mass because they could not be attired according to your standards. That would be a travesty.

As for head coverings - my personal jury is out. Since there is no OFFICIAL standing from the Church on this practice that anyone can seem to find, I think that if this is something that someone feels they need to do for whatever reason, then they should do it and not be made to feel odd, old fashioned, or out of place doing so. If someone is not comfortable with covering her head, then she should not be made to feel disrespectful or scandalous for doing so.

When my bishop tells me to cover my head, I’ll be the first in line to pick up my veil and won’t have a second of hesitation in wearing it. Until that time, I feel that I am still being reverent, respectful, and appropriately attired for mass without one.

~Liza
 
Ever heard of not giving a darn? I am not focusing on those who can not afford a nice attire for Mass…even though back in the 40’s, it seemed as though everyone, even those who were dirt floor poor still managed to have a nice Sunday wardrobe…commonly referred to as their Sunday best to wear to Mass…if someone legitimately can not afford it…then I am happy to have them there in whatever they can muster up…however, when an attorney, accountant, doctor, etc. chooses to wear their favorite team’s shirt…or a wife-beater…etc…then that is a problem. And there are plenty of those, whoes income is not high by any means that could afford a nice set of clothes on Sunday, however they blow their extra money on Playstations, HBO, Cell Phones, Partying, etc…It is ironic that the person you claim can’t afford a decent pair of slacks is carrying around a Razor phone.
Ever heard of not having a job to support this sort of wardrobe?
 
Ever heard of not giving a darn? I am not focusing on those who can not afford a nice attire for Mass…even though back in the 40’s, it seemed as though everyone, even those who were dirt floor poor still managed to have a nice Sunday wardrobe…commonly referred to as their Sunday best to wear to Mass…if someone legitimately can not afford it…then I am happy to have them there in whatever they can muster up…however, when an attorney, accountant, doctor, etc. chooses to wear their favorite team’s shirt…or a wife-beater…etc…then that is a problem. And there are plenty of those, whoes income is not high by any means that could afford a nice set of clothes on Sunday, however they blow their extra money on Playstations, HBO, Cell Phones, Partying, etc…It is ironic that the person you claim can’t afford a decent pair of slacks is carrying around a Razor phone.
I’m so amazed at your ability to know just who those people are and their incomes and personal circumstances JUST BY LOOKING AT THEM!!! WOW! That’s amazing!!

I’m not saying that I’m at all thrilled to hear the flip flops slap their way up for Holy Communion either, but I refuse to judge a person’s circumstances based on their appearance.

Stop complaining about the problem here in the Internet and do something about it! Are you on your parish council? Are you speaking with your priest about putting something in the parish paper about proper attire at mass? Are you running clothing drives for professional clothing for those who can not afford what you feel to be appropriate attire? Until you can tell me that you have actually done more than complain on the Internet about this, then stop your bellyaching. You are preaching to the choir. We all feel there needs to be more reverence at mass in the way some individuals dress. But to judge a person’s personal circumstances based solely on their appearance is downright arrogant.

~Liza
 
C’mon guys. Settle down. Let’s not loose our sense of charity or fall into the trap od judging someone for judging.

Bringing this thread back to the original topic, I like to see women wear a head covering at Mass. I have been told it is still required for women who attend Masses at the Vatican. Is that true?

Finally, I think the head-covering makes a woman appear very femine.
 
Never once have I judged them…that is for God…in addition, I am not “judging” them based off of appearance…I happen to know the people I was making reference to…so I know they can afford it. In addition to that…these are the same people who let their 12 year old daughters wear low cut mini skirts. Think of me what you will…that is fine. When people like you attack me for trying to speak out against these horrid things…I think of what Jesus said in St. Matthew’s Gospel:

5:10. Blessed are they that suffer persecution for justice’ sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
5:11. Blessed are ye when they shall revile you, and persecute you, and speak all that is evil against you, untruly, for my sake:
5:12. Be glad and rejoice for your reward is very great in heaven. For so they persecuted the prophets that were before you.

To me…the indifference of people who know better is far more aggregious than those, who out of ignorance, do wrong.
I’m so amazed at your ability to know just who those people are and their incomes and personal circumstances JUST BY LOOKING AT THEM!!! WOW! That’s amazing!!

I’m not saying that I’m at all thrilled to hear the flip flops slap their way up for Holy Communion either, but I refuse to judge a person’s circumstances based on their appearance.

Stop complaining about the problem here in the Internet and do something about it! Are you on your parish council? Are you speaking with your priest about putting something in the parish paper about proper attire at mass? Are you running clothing drives for professional clothing for those who can not afford what you feel to be appropriate attire? Until you can tell me that you have actually done more than complain on the Internet about this, then stop your bellyaching. You are preaching to the choir. We all feel there needs to be more reverence at mass in the way some individuals dress. But to judge a person’s personal circumstances based solely on their appearance is downright arrogant.

~Liza
 
Back on topic - :rolleyes:

To those ladies who do choose to wear a head covering to mass, how do you choose your headcovering? Is it always a white or black lace (and what is the difference?)? Or will you sometimes choose to wear a plain or patterned scarf? Where do you purchase them?

We only have a small handful of women who cover their heads at our parish, it’s not something we see very much of.

~Liza
 
I am glad you took this dicussion back to the original topic…I noticed our post were starting become inflammatory and uncharitable…for my participation in that, I am sorry. These are subjects I feel strongly about and sometimes my emotions get the better of my. I apologize. God Bless and I look forward to a healthy discussion. Sonny
Back on topic - :rolleyes:

To those ladies who do choose to wear a head covering to mass, how do you choose your headcovering? Is it always a white or black lace (and what is the difference?)? Or will you sometimes choose to wear a plain or patterned scarf? Where do you purchase them?

We only have a small handful of women who cover their heads at our parish, it’s not something we see very much of.

~Liza
 
Nobody seems to be mentioning the really interesting aspect of the verse.

Under the old Law, it was males who were obliged to cover their head when praying. Hence the Jewish kippah/yarmulke or at least wearing a hat inside.

Most Jewish women also covered their hair in imitation of this rule, and some strains of Judaism think women should cover their hair at all times, even in private with the family, except when alone with their husbands. You even see such women wearing wigs as “hats”.

Christian men were told not to cover their heads in the assembly, and Christian women no doubt imitated this. However, in Roman society, and in most of the ancient world, women above a certain age always covered their hair in public with big swathes of cloth. To do otherwise was… erm… like wearing skimpy clothes.

Now, technically, the church was being at home with your brothers and sisters. So, technically, it wasn’t “in public”. But it looked bad to outsiders to have all these otherwise modestly dressed Christian women not covering their hair.

Thus Paul’s pronouncement.

Current canon law says that the wearing of hair coverings was always a custom of the church, a tradition with a little t, and that it isn’t binding on women today. If they feel like wearing a veil or a hat or a medieval headdress or whatever, well and good. If not, also well and good.

jimmyakin.typepad.com/defensor_fidei/2006/09/chapel_veils_re.html

Don’t bind burdens on people. Feel happy to engage in a beautiful devotional practice, and go with that.
 
Back on topic - :rolleyes:

To those ladies who do choose to wear a head covering to mass, how do you choose your headcovering? Is it always a white or black lace (and what is the difference?)? Or will you sometimes choose to wear a plain or patterned scarf? Where do you purchase them?
We only have a small handful of women who cover their heads at our parish, it’s not something we see very much of.

~Liza
Try this site…Select the larger/largest ones unless you have short hair style. They are very inexpensive but still quality, from my experience.
In addition, This site will custom make any way you want it, including sending your own material…such as color, silk…etc.
I’ve seen royal blue, navy blue, ivory, antique gold colors.
Even ones with tiebacks (called Snoods) for Mom’s with curious yanking babies:
http://headcoverings-by-devorah.com/NavyLaceSnood.jpg

** And now, the First Lady circa 1962:**

http://extremecatholic.blogspot.com/images/mantilla/jfk-dating.jpg
 
Back on topic - :rolleyes:

To those ladies who do choose to wear a head covering to mass, how do you choose your headcovering? Is it always a white or black lace (and what is the difference?)? Or will you sometimes choose to wear a plain or patterned scarf? Where do you purchase them?

We only have a small handful of women who cover their heads at our parish, it’s not something we see very much of.

~Liza
Here is a good place to order them. They have a good selection and they ship fast!

halo-works.com/c=eSLpdYJXwbfQKYuLuDz3HJyJc/category/chapel_veils_and_latin_style_mantillas/

My fiance wears a black version of this one:
http://static.zoovy.com/img/haloworks/W292-H300-Bbbcee9/essence_cb_gld_f_b.jpg
 
Thank you TNT! That’s great!

And that First Lady always looked like a perfect lady. Lovely photo!

~Liza
 
So would it make a difference if I were to just wear a scarf around my neck, then pull it over my head for mass, then back around my neck afterward? I’m not exactly the lacy veil type. :o

~Liza
 
So would it make a difference if I were to just wear a scarf around my neck, then pull it over my head for mass, then back around my neck afterward? I’m not exactly the lacy veil type. :o

~Liza
No difference at all…capital idea!
 
No difference at all…capital idea!
What about an hat? My Aba always wore a hat (one that matched her dress)… that’s what many of the ladies at my parish do; were hats.
 
What about an hat? My Aba always wore a hat (one that matched her dress)… that’s what many of the ladies at my parish do; were hats.
I LOVE hats!!! Here in the Detroit area, the African American women wear some of the most beautiful hats on Sunday to services.

Now the British women REALLY know how to do hats! I just drool when I see them all dressed up for weddings and other formal events!

Though I would be afraid of it becoming more of a fashion statement and loosing the original purpose I suppose.

But I do love hats. 😃

~Liza
 
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