Women and head coverings

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deb1 said:
At one of the synagogues my hubby attended, he was given a yarmulke because he didn’t have one. I wonder why Catholic Churches a long time ago didn’t provide spare head coverings for people?

I have to admit I love the idea of a head covering. Something about it is very feminine and almost makes being female seem sacred.

I’d love to wear them but I fear that people would think that I was holding myself above them.😦
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Any SSPX I ever went to (To support Ecumenism Dogma) had plenty of Veils in the Foyer…narthax…entryway…whatever.
 
NoPlaceLikeRome said:
I’ve heard that as well about the black and white. It’s not a hard and fast rule though, sort of like the Pirates’ Code. 😛 A friend who regularly attends Indult Mass said that many of her [teenage] friends do not follow this tradition but wear black ones that sort of blend with their hair. I wore a white one for the past few months but decided not to wear it for a funeral Mass, I would have felt too conspicuous and don’t have a black one.
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Thanks for the reply 🙂
 
deb1 said:
At one of the synagogues my hubby attended, he was given a yarmulke because he didn’t have one. I wonder why Catholic Churches a long time ago didn’t provide spare head coverings for people?

I have to admit I love the idea of a head covering. Something about it is very feminine and almost makes being female seem sacred.

I’d love to wear them but I fear that people would think that I was holding myself above them.😦
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“Blessed are they who are persecuted and suffer all manner of evil against them falsly for My Names’s sake, theirs id the Kingdom of Heaven.”
 
deb1 said:
At one of the synagogues my hubby attended, he was given a yarmulke because he didn’t have one. I wonder why Catholic Churches a long time ago didn’t provide spare head coverings for people?

I have to admit I love the idea of a head covering. Something about it is very feminine and almost makes being female seem sacred.

I’d love to wear them but I fear that people would think that I was holding myself above them.😦
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Hi and thanks for a grounded expression, following all the comedic commentary. It is fear of drawing attention to myself that has kept me from wearing my mantillas. I remember when the notion of going into a Catholic Church was communicated as being non-essential, i still wore the beanie for my uniform, so it took from 1963 to 1969 for ‘no veiling’ to sink in. Your position is my position also. I don’t feel more feminine—but i feel far more humble. the irony is that mantlla’s create: worn for humility and honor, but seen as distaction by others.

Honestly A FANCY HAT APPEARS AS A SIGN OF 'SEE ME FOR COVERING MY HEAD, AND WHAT A GREAT HAT FOR SOCIAL REASONS. MANTILLA’S AND PRAYER SHAWLS DRAWN OVER THE HEAD FOR COMMUNION ARE TOTALLY UNADORNED.

I have already purchased 3 mantilla’s and a prayer shawl, drawn over the head for Eurcharist. The crazier the ‘world’ gets, the more i want to show in all ways possible, humiliy, honor, subservience and ideep heart affection for the Trinity. I may just pull out my coverings and wear them where my FAMILY will not be ridiculed. Veiling is VERY SYMBOLIC, AND DENSELY RICH IN HONOR. thanks for a really great post. love, maureen
 
rpp said:
“Blessed are they who are persecuted and suffer all manner of evil against them falsly for My Names’s sake, theirs id the Kingdom of Heaven.”
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I am not or afraid of being made fun of so I don’t think that the biblical quote applies. I do think that other women would assume that I was setting myself up to be better then them.

When I first became a Christian I went through a period of wearing only dresses. Long skirts are very comfortable and there is little in pants that you can’t do in long skirts. Anyway, two women from my church approached me and began to angrily explain why they wore shorts and sleevless tops. I never thought anything negative about their attire. The dresses weresimply *my *way of being modest and I like dresses and skirts. The experience made me go back to wearing pants, as I hated to think that other women assumed that I was judging them.😦

The same is true of the head covering. I haven’t been a Catholic long and I am simply not brave enough to risk the women of my church thinking that I am secretly passing judgement on them.
 
Confiteor,
Poor soul. I feel for you!

I’d probably look high & low for another parish/church…

it just proves once again:
Liberalism is severly IL-liberal.
And
Diversity is really love of perversity and acceptable as long as it is abandoning the ways of your forefathers.
Liberalism includes the right to exercise open hypocracy with no consequences.
 
TNT…I always love your posts…this one made me giggle…because it may not be smiled upon by many…but to be honest…Ecumenism between the SSPX and The Church is just as important, if not more important, than ecumenism with all the non-Catholic faiths…I just liked how you added that little part…don’t know why, but it made me laugh…keep it up, I love reading your posts. 😃
TNT said:
Any SSPX I ever went to (To support Ecumenism Dogma) had plenty of Veils in the Foyer…narthax…entryway…whatever.
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dumspirospero said:
TNT…I always love your posts…this one made me giggle…because it may not be smiled upon by many…but to be honest…Ecumenism between the SSPX and The Church is just as important, if not more important, than ecumenism with all the non-Catholic faiths…I just liked how you added that little part…don’t know why, but it made me laugh…keep it up, I love reading your posts. 😃
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I hope u realize that you are flirting with idolatry!
 
Hey…you know us Catholics…according to every non Catholic I talk to, we worship statues and false Gods…I guess we might as well throw some idols in there too 😉 just kidding of course.
TNT said:
I hope u realize that you are flirting with idolatry!
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Saoirse said:
on a different note, but same topic… has anyone ever actually tried wearing a headcovering before? they’re not very comfortable - in fact, I tried it, and I spent so much time realizing that I couldn’t turn my head because it pulled my hair and tugging at the thing because it gave me a rash all around my scalp, that I didn’t really pay as much attention as I could’ve.
it’s just not practical, that’s all.
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I wear one for Mass and when praying. They tend to stay put with bobby pins LOL I also find that I am less distracted by things going on around me when my head is covered.

Sometimes I wear a snood as my covering. When I forget to bring one with me I ask Mother Mary to cover me with her veil and protect me. My daughter also covers and we are trying to get the baby to leave hers on also.
 
KathleenElsie said:
I wear one for Mass and when praying. They tend to stay put with bobby pins LOL I also find that I am less distracted by things going on around me when my head is covered.

Sometimes I wear a **snood **as my covering. When I forget to bring one with me I ask Mother Mary to cover me with her veil and protect me. My daughter also covers and we are trying to get the baby to leave hers on also.
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First, let me thank you for being an example of devotion jut by wearing these in church.

But I do have a question.

What, this foolish and stupid man asks, is a snood?

Also, what is the difference between a veil and a mantilla?
 
rpp said:
First, let me thank you for being an example of devotion jut by wearing these in church.

But I do have a question.

What, this foolish and stupid man asks, is a snood? This is traditionally a large hair net. Mostly used when working to keep the hair out of the way. It keeps all the hair contained and were originally lined in material. You see them in the Queen Elizabethan Era. Closer to a hat.

Also, what is the difference between a veil and a mantilla?

A veil and mantilla generally cover all the hair. They can be simple to very elaborate. The elaborate ones can be very heavy LOL.

Only a veil can be used to cover the face also. Thus the name veiling when being married or when in mourning.

Most of what we wear are actually forms of mantillas.
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Thank you for asking.
 
Response to deb1: I’ve been Catholic all my life, and i AGREE WITH YOU. I’ve seen haughty attitudes in Bishops, Archbishops, and everyday catholics. That’s not why we remain Catholic. The Holy Mother Church is the ONLY authority to Act in Jesus Name to Minister Sacrements.

If there was an easier way to get the same authentic Sacrements, BELIEVE ME… i’d be BUTTING AND ELBOWING MY WAY TO THE HEAD OF THAT LINE!!! Not the case however. Being Catholic is a moment to moment decision–nothing easy about it. love, maureen : - ) !!!
deb1 said:
I am not or afraid of being made fun of so I don’t think that the biblical quote applies. I do think that other women would assume that I was setting myself up to be better then them.

When I first became a Christian I went through a period of wearing only dresses. Long skirts are very comfortable and there is little in pants that you can’t do in long skirts. Anyway, two women from my church approached me and began to angrily explain why they wore shorts and sleevless tops. I never thought anything negative about their attire. The dresses weresimply *my *way of being modest and I like dresses and skirts. The experience made me go back to wearing pants, as I hated to think that other women assumed that I was judging them.😦

The same is true of the head covering. I haven’t been a Catholic long and I am simply not brave enough to risk the women of my church thinking that I am secretly passing judgement on them.
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I have found if you smile pleasantly at anyone who appears uneasy about your veil it pretty much ends implying you are judging them. I am by nature a friendly person. If after mass anyone asks I explain why I am veiled at mass and prayer. That also helps dispel the concerns.
But some people will be put off by any form of piety. And some will be encouraged by your practice. In the end it is between you and God.👋
 
I have attended Mass at St. Peter’s and outside in the plaza and no veils were required of women.

When I was at Lourdes and was wearing a Kangol hat on my head, filing past the spot where the miraculous spring flows out of the earth, the usher seemed to think I should remove my hat out of reverence! I explained that I am a lady and refused. But at the time I had only been a Catholic a year and still had no reverence for the Blessed Mother. So it was strange for me to react that way.

But apparently the literal covering is not required. It seems to be symbolic. Since even before the Vatican Council my mother-in-law and sister-in-law relate how they would place a doily , handkerchief or kleenex in the vestibule before going into the Mass, if they had forgotten their veils.

So apparently a large hair bow would fulfill the symbolic end also.

Now, I have a Muslim friend who thinks that a literal head covering is modest for a woman. Many times I have seen young Muslim women wearing a veil, but then wearing some provacatively tight slacks. It struck me as a contradiction to the professed desire to be modest by wearing the veil.

As to men’s attire at Mass, there are many discount and thrift stores, especially in SE Michigan (Value World) where suits are available for less than the cost of a new pair of jeans. I have sons, so I know the price of new jeans and have bought suits at Value World. Guess which is cheaper?
 
lizaanne said:
Ever heard of not having a job to support this sort of wardrobe? There are those who have jobs where they do not dress up all pretty and can’t afford to have two wardrobes to suite your tastes. While I strongly agree someone should be clean and neat and modest while attending mass, I certainly would not hold it against someone if they could not afford a tie and jacket. And I would be deeply saddened to know that someone stayed away from mass because they could not be attired according to your standards. That would be a travesty.

As for head coverings - my personal jury is out. Since there is no OFFICIAL standing from the Church on this practice that anyone can seem to find, I think that if this is something that someone feels they need to do for whatever reason, then they should do it and not be made to feel odd, old fashioned, or out of place doing so. If someone is not comfortable with covering her head, then she should not be made to feel disrespectful or scandalous for doing so.

When my bishop tells me to cover my head, I’ll be the first in line to pick up my veil and won’t have a second of hesitation in wearing it. Until that time, I feel that I am still being reverent, respectful, and appropriately attired for mass without one.

~Liza
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👍 I will be right behind you in line. I wore a headcovering for 20 some years, it wouldn’t bother me one bit to wear one again. But since it is NO LONGER MANDATED, I prefer to go without.
 
I am confused about this concern about “dressing up”. Frankly I wear clothes mostly from thrift and confinement shops. Occasionally I buy a new sweater or shirt when they are on sale. I wear skirts all the time (my choice, not mandated for anyone). I don’t dress “fancy” just neat and clean. I wear the same clothes to work and mass. I’m a social worker for the state.
And I bought the piece of lace for my white mantilla at WalMart for less than 2.50. The black mantilla I wear most often is an old one of my MIL’s. I have another I found at a junk shop (vintage clothes) that I got for just a few dollars. And my scarves have been found at estate sales, thrift shops and so forth.
This is not a high dollar “habit”.
 
Indyann said:
👍 I will be right behind you in line. I wore a headcovering for 20 some years, it wouldn’t bother me one bit to wear one again. But since it is NO LONGER MANDATED, I prefer to go without.
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Can you please show me where it states that head coverings for woman are no longer mandated:) preferable something from the Vatican not a newspaper article:)
 
Karin said:
Can you please show me where it states that head coverings for woman are no longer mandated:) preferable something from the Vatican not a newspaper article:)
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I miss the search engine! I finally found the Vatican statement I remembered.
ewtn.com/library/CURIA/CDFINSIG.HTM
But it must be noted that these ordinances, probably inspired by the customs of the period, concern scarcely more than disciplinary practices of minor importance, such as the obligation imposed upon women to wear a veil on the head (1 Cor 11:2-6); such requirements no longer have a normative value.
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