Women demand greater say in future of Catholic Church

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I know we cannot have ordained women, but I recall hearing on an old episode of Sunday Night Prime on EWTN that, in theory, women could be cardinals. Their argument went that a cardinal need not be ordained, not even to the diaconate, in order to be a cardinal–there could be lay cardinals. Such a lay cardinal, therefore, could be a woman.

Has anyone else heard this?
 
Mark121359 said:
Excellent! He has some outstanding books!
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Yes he does. Dr. Kreeft is a treasure for the Church.

Whenever someone starts yapping about women’s ordination, I just share that talk and move on. If they are willing to listen to it, they will learn something. If they aren’t willing to spend the time, then they cannot be reasoned with anyway, so I move on. Either way, there isn’t much you can do other than counter falsehood with truth.

Peace of Christ,
 
jwinch2 said:
Yes he does. Dr. Kreeft is a treasure for the Church.

Whenever someone starts yapping about women’s ordination, I just share that talk and move on. If they are willing to listen to it, they will learn something. If they aren’t willing to spend the time, then they cannot be reasoned with anyway, so I move on. Either way, there isn’t much you can do other than counter falsehood with truth.

Peace of Christ,
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I hear you. I work with someone who believes strongly that there should be women priests. And I give him all the reasons they can’t that you and so many others here point out oh so clearly, but I get the feeling he’s swayed in large part because the pastor of his parish believes likewise. And that’s what saddens me, because I believe that this just adds to the confusion and makes it so much harder to get through to him. 😦 I haven’t given up though.

Peace, Mark
 
ssancho said:
I know we cannot have ordained women, but I recall hearing on an old episode of Sunday Night Prime on EWTN that, in theory, women could be cardinals. Their argument went that a cardinal need not be ordained, not even to the diaconate, in order to be a cardinal–there could be lay cardinals. Such a lay cardinal, therefore, could be a woman.

Has anyone else heard this?
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No, but it would be - in my poor eyes - kind of hypocritical to introduce the huge novelty of a woman cardinal, and for what? To throw confusion into the laws regarding the election of the Pope? To make the media start screaming forever and ever that they want to see the Church break the ultimate glass ceiling and elect a woman Pope (even though this is as ridiculous as ordaining a woman priest)? Good Lord…
 
^ I will add to the discussion by saying that one of the goals of the so-called (misnamed) “womanpriests” is to sit with the College of Cardinals.
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Elizabeth502 said:
^ I will add to the discussion by saying that one of the goals of the so-called (misnamed) “womanpriests” is to sit with the College of Cardinals.
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It just gets more and more ridiculous.

Sadly, the Sister in charge of RCIA in my parish is of the “we need female priests!” variety (at the ripe old age of 81- you’d think she would have caught on to the sheer impossibility by now), whose favorite anecdote is about the Church having a female imposter Pope for a brief minute. Somehow she feels this lends an air of credibility to the claim that women can and should be ordained. I’ve never even bothered to check the historical accuracy of her claim, as the whole topic just rankles my last nerve and even if historically accurate, supplorts nothing, whatsoever.

People are too poorly catechized…and stubborn in their poor catechesis.
 
Since I posted in the wrong topic, anyone who “demands” anything from the Church should be on the Church’s ignore list.
 
FreciaMarie said:
It just gets more and more ridiculous.

Sadly, the Sister in charge of RCIA in my parish is of the “we need female priests!” variety (at the ripe old age of 81- you’d think she would have caught on to the sheer impossibility by now), whose favorite anecdote is about the Church having a female imposter Pope for a brief minute. Somehow she feels this lends an air of credibility to the claim that women can and should be ordained. I’ve never even bothered to check the historical accuracy of her claim, as the whole topic just rankles my last nerve and even if historically accurate, supplorts nothing, whatsoever.

People are too poorly catechized…and stubborn in their poor catechesis.
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You’re so right! Poorly catechized indeed. And I don’t get it with some of these Sisters, especially some of the older ones who you would think as you said, “caught on to the sheer impossibility by now.” There must be some allure or feeling of power to radical feminism or something that even religious aren’t immune to. I just can’t wrap my brain around this…(Pea-sized as it is :o)
 
Birdpreacher said:
I for one am glad that women have no say whatsoever in the selection of the next Pope. Its just not their place or else God would have made them men. :rolleyes:
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Why is this? Don’t we have equal brains? Or are men supposed to be smarter?
 
Mark121359 said:
You’re so right! Poorly catechized indeed. And I don’t get it with some of these Sisters, especially some of the older ones who you would think as you said, “caught on to the sheer impossibility by now.” There must be some allure or feeling of power to radical feminism or something that even religious aren’t immune to. I just can’t wrap my brain around this…(Pea-sized as it is :o)
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To be honest, sometimes I think she has no clue what she’s clamoring for. There is something so naive in these misguided Sisters that I almost think they are MORE susceptible than women of the world. Makes my heart so sad. I remember, shortly after meeting her, her incredible distress over the impending (at that time) apostolic visitation, as it was directly affecting her Order. I felt so sad for her over the insecurity and uncertainty she was feeling…and then I started hearing her views on so many different things and realized that it was completely necessary.
 
FreciaMarie said:
To be honest, sometimes I think she has no clue what she’s clamoring for. There is something so naive in these misguided Sisters that I almost think they are MORE susceptible than women of the world. Makes my heart so sad. I remember, shortly after meeting her, her incredible distress over the impending (at that time) apostolic visitation, as it was directly affecting her Order. I felt so sad for her over the insecurity and uncertainty she was feeling…and then I started hearing her views on so many different things and realized that it was completely necessary.
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You know years ago when my niece was still in Catholic high school, and she graduated in 1995, so this goes back a bit, my brother (her father) and I would listen to her go on about what she was being taught. And she mentioned how her teacher (a Sister) was teaching them about “Sophia” in a very positive light. And at that time I had no idea who that was. Not too long ago, I stumbled onto this; ewtn.com/library/NEWAGE/SOPHIA.TXT…And it makes me wonder just what are Catholic children being taught in schools today! :eek: I know that Mother Angelica would bring this subject up often.
 
CaptFun said:
And various members of (both sides of) my Irish descent families. Some of them NAMED Mary too. 😉
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Aw! :). You know, I had the great good fortune to go to Ireland a couple times. And when I’d talk to people & tell them my name is Mary, I can’t tell you how often they’d say, “That’s a good Irish name!”. As if the Irish invented it…it was kinda cute :p. But I know what they meant, it’s just because there are so many Catholics there.

Oops, I think i’ve hijacked another thread 😊
 
Mark121359 said:
You know years ago when my niece was still in Catholic high school, and she graduated in 1995, so this goes back a bit, my brother (her father) and I would listen to her go on about what she was being taught. And she mentioned how her teacher (a Sister) was teaching them about “Sophia” in a very positive light. And at that time I had no idea who that was. Not too long ago, I stumbled onto this; ewtn.com/library/NEWAGE/SOPHIA.TXT…And it makes me wonder just what are Catholic children being taught in schools today! :eek: I know that Mother Angelica would bring this subject up often.
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Wow, scary stuff :(. God bless Mother Angelica, we sure need her now more than ever!
 
FreciaMarie said:
It just gets more and more ridiculous.

Sadly, the Sister in charge of RCIA in my parish is of the “we need female priests!” variety (at the ripe old age of 81- you’d think she would have caught on to the sheer impossibility by now), whose favorite anecdote is about the Church having a female imposter Pope for a brief minute. Somehow she feels this lends an air of credibility to the claim that women can and should be ordained. I’ve never even bothered to check the historical accuracy of her claim, as the whole topic just rankles my last nerve and even if historically accurate, supplorts nothing, whatsoever.

People are too poorly catechized…and stubborn in their poor catechesis.
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Actually, age 81 in 2013 = would put her around 36 years old, circa 1968 when Humanae Vitae came out and the Vietnam War and all sorts of countercultural upheaval was going on. Plus a lot of “spirit of Vatican II” changes taking place in convents. So it doesn’t surprise me that she clings to this; it was presented to her as a good thing at a time when lots of people were doing lots of questioning. It seemed like “fairness” and “justice” and “women’s liberation” and a promise of great things to come.

As for the female Pope story - I’m assuming you refer to “Pope Joan” - which has been dealt with by apologist Patrick Madrid: holyspiritinteractive.net/columns/guests/patrickmadrid/popejoan.asp and also in his book Pope Fiction patrickmadrid.com/pope-fiction/.
 
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