Just pointing out…it hasn’t been always Catholic tradition to even have last names, much less to change or not change the name (which seems to vary by culture). Most of our saints probably didn’t even have last names.
Just pointing out…it hasn’t been always Catholic tradition to even have last names, much less to change or not change the name (which seems to vary by culture). Most of our saints probably didn’t even have last names./QUOTE}
I don’t know about that. Francis of Assisi had a last name. Bernadone.
But I get the point you’re trying to make. In today’s culture that would never work.
in our LifeTeen group last year we had:
Lizbeth
Lizabeth
Lisabeth
Lisbet
Lizbet
Elisabet
Lisabetta
and yes,
Lizette
Kind of crazy with just the FIRST names!
Here in the USA it did become a huge issue in the 60’s when the “women’s movement” made it an issue. Many feminists made a big point out of keeping their family name instead of taking their husband’s name to the point that they equated taking the husband’s name to slavery, of all the silly things.What does not wanting to change last names have to do with rejecting femininity? **Clothing, shaving, names etc are all cultural and are not universal or even Catholic definitions of femininity and womanhood. **As a Catholic, Mary is my model for femininity, and she didn’t have a last name
Some women feel strongly about NOT changing their names, just as you feel strongly about having them change their names.
If last names are trivial, why did you feel the need to respond so emotionally and make a big deal out of it?
It really has nothing to do with feminism. After all, most women who don’t change their name would still be keeping their FATHER’S last name.
I remember Roseanne Barr saying she wouldn’t take her then husband Tom Arnold’s name because she wasn’t his or anyone’s else’s property. Then it occurred to her that her own family name was her father’s name, which made her his property (according to her odd logic), so she decided she’d be knows as just Roseanne. I hope your country never went through such nonsense, but we in the USA certainly did and it still affects many of us, hence the reaction against feminist ideology that equates taking the husband’s name as giving him absolute power over his wife. Another odd idea they promoted, and some still promote.Changing last names is not a Catholic tradition. I doubt that it will matter in heaven… the important part of our name should be the “Saint” part.In many cultures,it is not tradition for women to change their names. I am of Asian heritage. My mom did not change her name, neither did her mother, or grandmother etc. And neither will I, when I get married.
Yes, and if it’s not a cultural norm in your country, then it isn’t a big deal, nor should it be if it’s never been an issue. Unfortunately, it has been a big issue in the USA. For a long time women couldn’t identify themselves as feminine because that meant they were slaves to men. Women had to be feminists so they could get ahead and “throw off the chains of domestic slavery.” Only in the last few years have women in the USA begun to feel they can be feminine again as well as be strong and capable and have careers. But a great deal of damage was done to families along the way, which we are trying hard to correct, which is why some of us feel so strongly about it.
Um, no.And in heaven your name tag will always read
:::Your first name::+:::Your husband’s last name::: no matter what crazy feminist stunt you pull on earth
Well, I’m actually Asian-Canadian, so I do know where you are coming fromHere in the USA it did become a huge issue in the 60’s when the “women’s movement” made it an issue. Many feminists made a big point out of keeping their family name instead of taking their husband’s name to the point that they equated taking the husband’s name to slavery, of all the silly things.
Yes, and if it’s not a cultural norm in your country, then it isn’t a big deal, nor should it be if it’s never been an issue. Unfortunately, it has been a big issue in the USA. For a long time women couldn’t identify themselves as feminine because that meant they were slaves to men. Women had to be feminists so they could get ahead and “throw off the chains of domestic slavery.” Only in the last few years have women in the USA begun to feel they can be feminine again as well as be strong and capable and have careers. But a great deal of damage was done to families along the way, which we are trying hard to correct, which is why some of us feel so strongly about it.
Hmm. Interesting.
Hey, how’s the job-hunting going?It amazes me how many women are so defensive and shameful of anything feminine. Like the word shouldn’t even exist! Why make yourself look pretty either? Why give in to the patriarchs? Why shave any part of your body, or even shop in the “women’s section”? You could be the Rosa Parks of Wal-Mart when you waltz right into the men’s section and buy yourself some blue jeans and a tank top!
Sorry but I have zero empathy for this line of thinking. You are posting in a Catholic forum and you wanna complain about “tradition”? It’s shocking to me how many women hate the fact that they are Women.
Not to mention I’m pretty sure if your name was Jessica and your last name was Gorgonshplat you would have zero problem changing your last name if it meant Jessica Rose or something similar
:::Your first name::+:::Your husband’s last name::: no matter what crazy feminist stunt you pull on earth
Did the post you quoted get pulled, or something? I don’t see it on the thread. I do hope Polluted gets some good counseling.
Is it? The post seems to pertain to this thread.
No wonder your fiancee has issues with you. You are acting like a complete douche!It amazes me how many women are so defensive and shameful of anything feminine. Like the word shouldn’t even exist! Why make yourself look pretty either? Why give in to the patriarchs? Why shave any part of your body, or even shop in the “women’s section”? You could be the Rosa Parks of Wal-Mart when you waltz right into the men’s section and buy yourself some blue jeans and a tank top!
Sorry but I have zero empathy for this line of thinking. You are posting in a Catholic forum and you wanna complain about “tradition”? It’s shocking to me how many women hate the fact that they are Women.
Not to mention I’m pretty sure if your name was Jessica and your last name was Gorgonshplat you would have zero problem changing your last name if it meant Jessica Rose or something similar
:::Your first name::+:::Your husband’s last name::: no matter what crazy feminist stunt you pull on earth
It doesn’t. I’m just giving him a hard time for telling women what to do, given his own dubious character.
Now you know how a lot of us feel when reading your posts.
A lot of us are just having trouble believing, given Polluted’s various troubles with women (multiple children out of wedlock, dependency on his fiance’s family, and rather difficulty with keeping a job that lets him support his children), that he is someone to take seriously on male/female relationships.
:clapping: and a big
to that!Yep, the whole “I’ll keep having sex and creating children as I want to” outside of marriage and “the rest of you can #$&8 off if you don’t like it” attitude of his is ridiculous.
Sorry, I guess I wasn’t clear. It seemed to me that the post ranting about women not changing their names and not being feminine pertained to this thread, rather than to the thread discussing P’s job quitting and imminent marriage to a woman whom he appears to resent and despise. However, I haven’t seen that post–only the quotation of it, and so I wondered whether it had been posted on this thread (discussing name changes) and then been pulled by the moderators.
Thanks! I guess I’m just blind.
Man, that must suck for all the cultures in the world that have never taken their husband’s name in the entire history of mankind:::Your first name::+:::Your husband’s last name::: no matter what crazy feminist stunt you pull on earth
