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At least two Anglican women priests have become Roman Catholics because they are “fed up with being treated like dirt in their own Church,” according to Fr Michael Seed, the Franciscan friar who is ecumenical adviser to Cardinal Murphy-O’Connor.
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Fr Seed – a deeply inspiring priest who has received many Anglicans into communion with Rome – reveals this extraordinary detail in an interview with the Independent, which has buried it away in a feature. He received two women himself – and has now told the Catholic Herald that other female priests have come over to Rome as a result of “persecution”.
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In the forthcoming issue of the Herald, Fr Seed tells my colleague Simon Caldwell: “There are other Catholic priests who have dealt with cases like this. Anglican women priests are generally upset at the way they are being treated … This is hardly the Third Secret of Fatima. The persecution of women priests is well known among Anglican clergy, bishops and laity.”
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Bizarre - they may be persecuted but at least in the Anglican Church they can BE priests 🤷
 
LilyM said:
Bizarre - they may be persecuted but at least in the Anglican Church they can BE priests 🤷
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No, they can’t!!
The Anglican Church might dress them up as though they are priests, but that doesn’t make them priests. A woman cannot be ordained a priest. This has been infallibly declared by the Church on a number of occasions.
God has many wonderful roles for women - motherhood being the most beautiful - the priesthood is not one of the roles they can aspire to.
 
rjs1 said:
No, they can’t!!
The Anglican Church might dress them up as though they are priests, but that doesn’t make them priests. A woman cannot be ordained a priest. This has been infallibly declared by the Church on a number of occasions.
God has many wonderful roles for women - motherhood being the most beautiful - the priesthood is not one of the roles they can aspire to.
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Pardon my incorrect word choice - I should have said they can ACT like priests :yup:
 
I too find myself rather scratching my head at this. Disliking treatment elsewhere is not true conversion. Rather, true conversion means the belief that the Catholic Church maintains the fullness of truth in its doctrines.

Also, if you read the linked interview with this Father Seed, he espouses some very serious error.

The interview article says the following:
But surely there is a sense of winning when someone does “come over” ? Father Seed frowns. “We are all Christians,” he says. So denomination is just a detail? “More or less. It’s a pilgrimage, but there is for me something unique in the deposit of faith in Catholicism. It’s like a tree and we’ve planted this tree and it is Christ. Christ founded one community. We are all Catholic in that sense.”
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Denomination more or less a detail? That is completely contrary to Catholic teaching. The Church is the one true Church which Christ has established. The Church is the means by which God brings us His truth and there is no other which has been entrusted with this. If this man does not recognize that and realize that it is extremely important, then it is a real problem.

Then his tree analogy… “we” planted this “tree”? “We” did not plant anything. Christ established the Catholic Church and it is His.
 
rjs1 said:
No, they can’t!!
The Anglican Church might dress them up as though they are priests, but that doesn’t make them priests. A woman cannot be ordained a priest. This has been infallibly declared by the Church on a number of occasions.
God has many wonderful roles for women - motherhood being the most beautiful - the priesthood is not one of the roles they can aspire to.
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No, if the Anglican Church recognizes they are priests, then they are priests of the Anglican Church. They probably do a pretty good job in the Anglican Church. The discussion and debate are still ongoing in the Catholic Church.
 
NewUlm1976_2000 said:
No, if the Anglican Church recognizes they are priests, then they are priests of the Anglican Church. They probably do a pretty good job in the Anglican Church. The discussion and debate are still ongoing in the Catholic Church.
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Discussion and debate? There is nothing to discuss or debate on this issue where the Church is concerned. It is a matter of doctrine and therefore unchanging. Pope John-Paul II made it clear that there is absolutely no possibility of women in the priesthood, that it was not his decision but a decision God had already established.
 
NewUlm1976_2000 said:
No, if the Anglican Church recognizes they are priests, then they are priests of the Anglican Church. They probably do a pretty good job in the Anglican Church. The discussion and debate are still ongoing in the Catholic Church.
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Pope Leo XIII has declared the Anglican orders are null and void. There is no discussion and debate on the issue, as it has been settled.

Pope John Paul II has formally taught as Pope that the Church cannot ordain women. So there is no discussion and debate on the issue.

There may be some individuals who debate the issue, but it cannot be said the Church is debating the issue.
 
LilyM said:
Bizarre - they may be persecuted but at least in the Anglican Church they can BE priests 🤷
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They are as much priests as any of the rest of the Anglican clergy - which is to say none of them are ordained…
 
So, how long might it be until they want to be Catholic Priests?
 
NewUlm1976_2000 said:
No, if the Anglican Church recognizes they are priests, then they are priests of the Anglican Church. They probably do a pretty good job in the Anglican Church. The discussion and debate are still ongoing in the Catholic Church.
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No, discussion and debate are NOT still going on in the Catholic Church. The Pope has spoken, the discussion is over.
 
Steeltemplar said:
Discussion and debate? There is nothing to discuss or debate on this issue where the Church is concerned. It is a matter of doctrine and therefore unchanging. Pope John-Paul II made it clear that there is absolutely no possibility of women in the priesthood, that it was not his decision but a decision God had already established.
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Could you please point out to me where that is?

I used to believe this, but then I heard someone on Catholic Answers Live say that it was possible (may have been on “Ask a Canon Lawyer”). The impression he gave is that it is almost certainly not going to happen, that a lot of other things would have to change first (things that can change, apparently), but that it was possible.

I wish I would have copied down the show info.

Note that I am not putting a guest on CA Live above the Pope - I am wondering whether or not JPII actually said that it was impossible for women to ever become Priests or if that’s how what he said was interpretted.
 
Greg72 said:
Note that I am not putting a guest on CA Live above the Pope - I am wondering whether or not JPII actually said that it was impossible for women to ever become Priests or if that’s how what he said was interpretted.
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I remember that after John Paul II made the statement, Benedict XVI (then Cardinal Ratzinger of the Holy Office) went on to say that the Pope made the statement Infallibly. That pretty much says its a done deal.
 
Marsha_Adams said:
I remember that after John Paul II made the statement, Benedict XVI (then Cardinal Ratzinger of the Holy Office) went on to say that the Pope made the statement Infallibly. That pretty much says its a done deal.
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That is what I seem to remember too
 
On Ordinatio Sacerdotalis
Dubium: Whether the teaching that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women, which is presented in the Apostolic Letter Ordinatio Sacerdotalis to be held definitively, is to be understood as belonging to the deposit of faith.
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Responsum: In the affirmative.
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This teaching requires definitive assent…
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(There’s more to it at the link, but I honestly don’t see how anyone can think there’s ANY wiggle room at all.)
 
Did it make the requirments of an infallible doctrine declared by the pope?
 
Marsha_Adams said:
vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_letters/documents/hf_jp-ii_apl_22051994_ordinatio-sacerdotalis_en.html

This link should take you to John Paul II’s document prohibiting the ordination of women.
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Thank you, Marsha.
Wherefore, in order that all doubt may be removed regarding a matter of great importance, a matter which pertains to the Church’s divine constitution itself, in virtue of my ministry of confirming the brethren (cf. Lk 22:32) I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church’s faithful.
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That seems about as clear as it could possibly be. Now, I really wish that I could remember what show it was.
 
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