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Amolibri
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I equate an open mind with maturity in my faith.
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orionsbelt
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That is an extremely general statement that I am comfortable saying I agree with but doesn’t shed much light on the discussion.
I guess I would consider a more specific response that is directly relevant to the discussion to be more valuable.
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Della
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IOW, females of other denominations have no more power to confect the Eucharist than do their male counterparts since they do not have valid ordinations. Ordaining women in the Catholic Church would invalidate any such ordinations. Only the Orthodox churches have valid ordinations apart from those of the Catholic rites, and none of them ordain women, either, or ever will.So no female who has been ordained in other churches is doing anything at their altars except doing what their men are doing–confecting nothing.
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manualman
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“We can’t be ordained just because we came in the wrong wrapper.”
There, ladies and gentlemen, is the heart of the problem. In her worldview, the only difference between men and women are the sexual organs. Manicheanism lives. To her, all human souls are of the same character, they just have different physical manifestations. She fails to understand the catholic principle that we are a body/soul unity. Thus, it never occurs to her that physical differences might imply differences that go BEYOND the physical. I wonder if she ever pondered the possibility that when two things are different, one isn’t necessarily inherently ‘better’ than the other.
There, ladies and gentlemen, is the heart of the problem. In her worldview, the only difference between men and women are the sexual organs. Manicheanism lives. To her, all human souls are of the same character, they just have different physical manifestations. She fails to understand the catholic principle that we are a body/soul unity. Thus, it never occurs to her that physical differences might imply differences that go BEYOND the physical. I wonder if she ever pondered the possibility that when two things are different, one isn’t necessarily inherently ‘better’ than the other.
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Amolibri
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Easy for you to say, sir.“We can’t be ordained just because we came in the wrong wrapper.”
There, ladies and gentlemen, is the heart of the problem. In her worldview, the only difference between men and women are the sexual organs. Manicheanism lives. To her, all human souls are of the same character, they just have different physical manifestations. She fails to understand the catholic principle that we are a body/soul unity. Thus, it never occurs to her that physical differences might imply differences that go BEYOND the physical. I wonder if she ever pondered the possibility that when two things are different, one isn’t necessarily inherently ‘better’ than the other.
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Della
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Easy for any Catholic/Orthodox woman to say, as well, as I also do.
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ProdigalSun
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Marsha_Adams
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The biggest problem with open minds is that so often they allow the brain to fall out.
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Amolibri
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Much prefer it to a closed one.
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orionsbelt
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Out of curiosity, what do you consider the characteristics of an open mind?Much prefer it to a closed one.
Are you accepting of absolutely everything? What are your boundaries?
If you have boundaries then don’t you also have a closed mind as it pertains to some things?
Ultimately, we all have open minds at some times and with some set of things and also closed minds at other times and with other sets of things.
That is why saying a response of “I have and open mind” has no value. The purpose of these discussion boards is to examine a topic and express specific thoughts on the topic.
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Amolibri
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maturity=ability to see another’s point of view…not necessarily agree with it. You are putting words in my mouth (keyboard)
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orionsbelt
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So. Do you agree with the “WomenPriest” movement which is in direct defiance of Church doctrine and appears to associate itself with new-age mystical ideas which are also inconsistent with the Catholic faith?maturity=ability to see another’s point of view…not necessarily agree with it. You are putting words in my mouth (keyboard)
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Amolibri
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I see their point of view.
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orionsbelt
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Fair enough.I see their point of view.
Do you also see that their actions can be dangerous and lead some people away from the faith and away from the Eucharist? And that they cannot lead people to the faith, since they present a false priesthood.
And thus their actions should be publicly denounced.
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ProdigalSun
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So understanding some ones point of view or putting yourself in their shoes is the same as having an open mind?
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manualman
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Oddly, that’s often the rebuttal I get when arguing with feminists that abortion is murder. Dodge the issue and make a personal jab.Easy for you to say, sir.
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Carolinagirl411
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As mentioned in other posts I am a strong supporter of women’s rights, however this applies to the ability to hold a job, be paid the same as other people based on education/ability etc, and having the right to vote lol
There is something completely unnatural about a female priest. I even feel a little uncomfortable about female ministers in protestant denominations and I used to be a protestant.The way it was explained to me is that
the priest represents Christ on earth and the Church is the heavenly bride with Christ being the bridegroom. You can’t have a female in the place of a male bridegroom marrying a female Church. That would be equating Communion with a Lesbian relationship and we all know that the Church does not approve of homosexuality.
Some women take the men/women are equal thing a little too far. I’m proud to be different from a man. My differences do not make me inferior. I view men/ women as yin and yang. Equal an Complementary not Equal and the Same.
There is something completely unnatural about a female priest. I even feel a little uncomfortable about female ministers in protestant denominations and I used to be a protestant.The way it was explained to me is that
the priest represents Christ on earth and the Church is the heavenly bride with Christ being the bridegroom. You can’t have a female in the place of a male bridegroom marrying a female Church. That would be equating Communion with a Lesbian relationship and we all know that the Church does not approve of homosexuality.
Some women take the men/women are equal thing a little too far. I’m proud to be different from a man. My differences do not make me inferior. I view men/ women as yin and yang. Equal an Complementary not Equal and the Same.
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Amolibri
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Good for you, Carolinagirl. Well put.
Folks…open minds are not always sinning. Your negative attitudes are noted.
Folks…open minds are not always sinning. Your negative attitudes are noted.
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orionsbelt
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I don’t claim that an open mind automatically is sinning. But I will not have an open mind about things that are clearly destructive - abortion, women claiming to be Roman Catholic Priests who can say Mass, etc.Good for you, Carolinagirl. Well put.
Folks…open minds are not always sinning. Your negative attitudes are noted.
These women have every right to do what ever they want. Except, they just can’t claim to be Roman Catholic Priests.
If they want to create the “church of Sarah and Jane” they will get no criticism from me. They can ordain anyone they want. They can conduct any rituals, rites, services, etc. that they want.
But when they say they are Roman Catholic Priests and make like they are conducting mass then there is a real problem because they are not RC Priests.
And it is problematic for anyone to defend them. Calling it being “open minded” or “mature in faith” or “understanding their point of view” is still denying reality and perpetuating their leading people astray.
People attend their services and think they are satisfying their Sunday Obligation. But they are being lied to and deceived by these women and this organization.
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ProdigalSun
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Good for you, Orions Belt. Well put.
Folks… Open minds are not always a sin but creating scandol certainly can be. I have not seen any negative attitudes to note.
Peace!
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