women's authority in the church

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CarloMagnus said:
The fact remains that they didn’t/don’t/will not have an open position because they’re not even trying to have the positions be filled by men. The logical thing would be to take away the positions and hand them over to men.

You’re not going to get anywhere with an attitude like that. And stating that “it’s your fault” is not bringing men any closer to Catholicism. I wonder which is better, the Church rot in silence or that the Church loses all priests?

The Church has not tried. They refuse to try. Blame men all you want, but the results speak for themselves. And the more you say “It’s men” the more we’ll say,“I’m not going there.”
-Karl
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:rolleyes: I’m not trying to “go anywhere” with my attitude nor am I trying to blame men. I just would like those that keep whining and carrying on that “it’s all those blasted women’s fault” to grow up, quit being cry babies and stop acting like someone invaded your locker room. As Brother Joseph has pointed out (among with many others that have researched the situation), it’s not the women in the parish that’s causing a decrease in vocations. I’m done with this “beating a dead horse” topic. May each of you have a wonderful Easter season and remember those women that stood at the foot of the Cross while our Lord was hanging there, those women that loving prepared His body for burial, and the women He appeared to on Easter morning.
 
The_Curt_Jester said:
I do have to correct you on this because you’ve got it wrong. They do refer to St. John of the Cross as father.

(My sister is a Discalced Carmelite. 😃 )
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Thank you for that correction. Maybe I misunderstood what I was reading.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Brendan said:
Kinda like this?

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That was very beautiful. I have to admit that there were more servers than people in the congregation. 😃

The little munchkins are adorable.

I was trying to figure out if this was a solemnity and maybe that’s why they had so many servers at one mass. But then the priest and deacon came down the aisle in green, which is the color of Ordinary Time. Solemnities would be white. Maybe the just have many boys in that parish, which is great.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
JReducation said:
That was very beautiful. I have to admit that there were more servers than people in the congregation. 😃

The little munchkins are adorable.

I was trying to figure out if this was a solemnity and maybe that’s why they had so many servers at one mass. But then the priest and deacon came down the aisle in green, which is the color of Ordinary Time. Solemnities would be white. Maybe the just have many boys in that parish, which is great.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
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Yes we do have that many boys. Our pastor invites all boys between 5 and 18 to be altar servers, and they pretty much all accept.

He then instructs them that, since a priest almost always serves at Mass, he expects the altarboys to serve at every Mass they attend. So that is our typical Sunday AM Mass. The Saturday eve or Sunday eve Masses probabably only have 6-12 servers.

We have had 1-2 men go into the seminary every year, and have had 12 men ordained in the last 10 years. The video is a bit old, but the Deacon (and his twin brother) are both priests now, and the elderly priest (Fr. Valerian) has since passed away 😦

As an interesting side note, one of the two men from our parish that were ordained last year felt called to the diocesan priesthood. But as he was talking to some of his classmates from other dioceses, he felt that he might better serve in a diocese that was really lacking in priests.

Long story, short, he was ordained as a diocesan priest for the diocese of Mogadishu, Somalia. He finished his Philosophy work here in MI at Sacred Heart, but did his Theologate work in Africa. He is now working in the refuge camps as he learns the languages. And then into Somila.
 
LightBound said:
:rolleyes: I’m not trying to “go anywhere” with my attitude nor am I trying to blame men. I just would like those that keep whining and carrying on that “it’s all those blasted women’s fault” to grow up, quit being cry babies and stop acting like someone invaded your locker room. As Brother Joseph has pointed out (among with many others that have researched the situation), it’s not the women in the parish that’s causing a decrease in vocations. I’m done with this “beating a dead horse” topic. May each of you have a wonderful Easter season and remember those women that stood at the foot of the Cross while our Lord was hanging there, those women that loving prepared His body for burial, and the women He appeared to on Easter morning.
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“Quit whining and grow up.”
Wow. Is that your answer? Nice results. It’s a good thing you don’t lead the Church.

-Karl
 
CarloMagnus said:
“Quit whining and grow up.”
Wow. Is that your answer? Nice results. It’s a good thing you don’t lead the Church.

-Karl
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I was done, but I will not let this comment go. It’s a good thing neither you or I lead the Church. Apparently you took my remark about whining personally for a reason…although I wasn’t meaning anyone in particular on this thread. That’s what I get from those that carry on about “those women” that are active doing more than sitting in the pew and cleaning and dusting in their parish. That’s what those who complain about what Rome is okay with need to do; quit whining and grow up. If it’s good enough for the Vatican, it should be good enough for the rest of us.

So Karl, I will leave you with this…may you have a wonderful Easter season and remember those women that stood at the foot of the Cross while our Lord was hanging there, those women that loving prepared His body for burial, and the women He appeared to on Easter morning.
 
CarloMagnus said:
“Quit whining and grow up.”
Wow. Is that your answer? Nice results. It’s a good thing you don’t lead the Church.

-Karl
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Carlo…I noticed on your id that you said you were leaning towards Catholism…you do know for a lot of the volunteer stuff…as an adult…like EMHC and a lay reader that you have to be fully Catholic? My husband could not become a lay reader until he went through RCIA and was confirmed last Easter Vigil. I don’t know your parish but that might be part of the problem?
 
Brendan said:
Yes we do have that many boys. Our pastor invites all boys between 5 and 18 to be altar servers, and they pretty much all accept.

He then instructs them that, since a priest almost always serves at Mass, he expects the altarboys to serve at every Mass they attend. So that is our typical Sunday AM Mass. The Saturday eve or Sunday eve Masses probabably only have 6-12 servers.

We have had 1-2 men go into the seminary every year, and have had 12 men ordained in the last 10 years. The video is a bit old, but the Deacon (and his twin brother) are both priests now, and the elderly priest (Fr. Valerian) has since passed away 😦

As an interesting side note, one of the two men from our parish that were ordained last year felt called to the diocesan priesthood. But as he was talking to some of his classmates from other dioceses, he felt that he might better serve in a diocese that was really lacking in priests.

Long story, short, he was ordained as a diocesan priest for the diocese of Mogadishu, Somalia. He finished his Philosophy work here in MI at Sacred Heart, but did his Theologate work in Africa. He is now working in the refuge camps as he learns the languages. And then into Somila.
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I’m sorry to hear that the priest passed away. I’m happy to hear that you’re getting vocations out of your parish. They’re out there, trust me.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
PhilOSophia said:
Thing is, ladies don’t realise: men don’t want to be around them all the time or listen to their nattering. It’s a mature decision, to exit, by the narthex. 😃
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You know, it’s fine to say some positions should be reserved for men, but there is NEVER any excuse for putting down women.

From what I’ve seen, men natter just as much as women, if not more.
 
The_Curt_Jester said:
. But also, there is no shortage of women who volunteer (yes, women get to do stuff at those churches!) including helping the clergy with meals, keeping flowers for the church, cleaning, taking care of the linens, and so on. There’s a part for every person to play - except pretending to be a priest. It’s at the NOs where I find there’s a distinct lack of men involved, but there’s never a shortage of women.

I don’t think it’s a coincidence.
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Guess what though? Not every woman’s strength is in arranging flowers, cooking and taking care of linen.
 
TrueLight said:
You know, it’s fine to say some positions should be reserved for men, but there is NEVER any excuse for putting down women.

From what I’ve seen, men natter just as much as women, if not more.
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No kidding. And they also gossip more, based on what I found out in a few hours at dinner in a men’s religious congregation. After a while I wanted to stick my fingers in my ears and go “la,la,la,la,la - la,la,la,la,la”.
 
Phemie said:
No kidding. And they also gossip more, based on what I found out in a few hours at dinner in a men’s religious congregation. After a while I wanted to stick my fingers in my ears and go “la,la,la,la,la - la,la,la,la,la”.
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:yup:
 
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Annabelle_Marie said:
Carlo…I noticed on your id that you said you were leaning towards Catholism…you do know for a lot of the volunteer stuff…as an adult…like EMHC and a lay reader that you have to be fully Catholic? My husband could not become a lay reader until he went through RCIA and was confirmed last Easter Vigil. I don’t know your parish but that might be part of the problem?
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I’ve already gone through RCIA. Right now I’m in the process of either leaving Catholicism or not.

-Karl
 
Phemie said:
No kidding. And they also gossip more, based on what I found out in a few hours at dinner in a men’s religious congregation. After a while I wanted to stick my fingers in my ears and go “la,la,la,la,la - la,la,la,la,la”.
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Now you know why some male communities do not allow women to enter beyond the parlor. 😃

They kiss and tell. 😛

I just remembered, our house does not have a parlor, just a foyer. 😊

Fraternally,

Br.JR, OSF 🙂
 
JReducation said:
Now you know why some male communities do not allow women to enter beyond the parlor. 😃
They kiss and tell. 😛
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Yap.We keep you “informed” of what´s going on all over.😃

Seriously,I believe that much of this reserve about women participating in rituals,altar( I am not referring to women priests) has much to do with the fact that we were considered impure as much of the Old Testament and Judaism did.What do you think?
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