Women's jumpers: YEAH or NAY

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laudamus_te said:
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Personally, I find a lot of those other patterns that were linked, reflecting styles of the 40s and 50s, to be unattractive as well as immodest (too low necklines, bare arms).

I am not an advocate of Protestantism or Puritanism by any means, but you are equating garments with beauty, which is wrong. I think Our Lady was the most beautiful woman who lived. Are not people who dress in styles which they consider attractive and stylish wishing to call attention to themselves? If you really think honestly about it, you must say yes.
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I think not, anymore than choosing to wear a blue blouse rather than an orange one because it suits my coloring means I am wishing to draw attention to myself. And there is nothing sinful about calling a garment pretty (or wearing it, for that matter) anymore than it is wrong for our priests to wear glorious vestments. Modesty is the question here. Just because a dress is pretty doesn’t make it immodest or sinful, anymore than wearing something plain is necessarily an indication of goodness.

In all the representations of Our Lady I have seen, she looks beautiful and is clothed beautifully. Is that merely in the eye of the artist, or did God create her beautiful, both inside and out? I choose to believe that she was both. She dressed, of course, modestly–but also in the style common to her culture and the climate.

Modesty is common sense. Wear what you like–jumpers or not–just look in the mirror before you go out and make sure everything is adequately covered.

Are my clothes pretty? I hope so. Am I trying to draw attention to myself at Mass–No! I leave that to the women wearing halter tops and micro-minis. Frankly, after everyone is finished gawking and clucking at them, I doubt they notice what I have on, which is perfectly ok with me.
 
My two new jumpers came in the mail!!! Over-all-style–in denim. They are cute–I don’t care if you like 'em or not–I know they are cute. And they are just the ticket for housework and gardening, but I’d wear them out shopping and on errands, too.🙂

Pax Christi,
Ann
A big Yeah to jumpers:) 🙂 :bounce: :bounce:
 
Jacafamala said:
My two new jumpers came in the mail!!! Over-all-style–in denim. They are cute–I don’t care if you like 'em or not–I know they are cute. And they are just the ticket for housework and gardening, but I’d wear them out shopping and on errands, too.🙂

Pax Christi,
Ann
A big Yeah to jumpers:) 🙂 :bounce: :bounce:
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I like your attitude Ann, how very likable you are!
A big yeah to jumpers and modest women that wear them!
 
deb1 said:
although this site is not my style, i won’t say that it is ridiculous. people have different taste and i am not going to criticize another’s taste in modest clothing.

personally, i like the types of clothing women wore in the movies of the 1940’s,1930’s and 1950’s but i would look odd wearing outfits like that. our grandmother’s looked so much more put together then we do.
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There is nothing like a late 30s/ early 40s dressmaker’s suit! So well-made, so easy to dress up or down!!!
 
I think William Bouguereau, a French painter, has done a good job of painting women and girls who are modestly yet prettily dressed. You can see some of his paintings at the Art Renewal Center (a very good website for art) here:

artrenewal.org/asp/database/art.asp?aid=7
 
tcraig said:
I think jumpers look fine on pregnant women and the newly post-partum. Other than that, I think they’re one of the most unattractive clothing items around. They rarely flatter.

My husband and son have labeled the “modest look” that so many traditional Catholics (and fundamentalist protestants) adopt as the “Desperate Mormon Housewives” look. If you’ve ever lived near a large community of fundamental Mormons, you’ll know what I mean. 😛
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I was thinking exactly that… the jumpers look just like the ones the mormon women in our town wear:o
 
laudamus_te said:
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Personally, I find a lot of those other patterns that were linked, reflecting styles of the 40s and 50s, to be unattractive as well as immodest (too low necklines, bare arms). .
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I would agree that in some cases, bare arms are not appropriate (in church, in the classroom when I am teaching), but those are times I wear a cardigan or a sweater.
 
Ahem…I’m the one that posted that lovely Plainly Dressed site. I don’t care about their various files on their site. They worship God and they dress that way to please Him. I am also dressing this way to please Him.

Jesus was counter-cultural and you can find passages in the Bible that speak of not dressing and behaving like the immodest world does.

If people want to gawk…that’s their affair, not mine. Have you noticed people gawk at you when you wear a mantilla? Big deal. Everybody’s got eyes, not binoculars.

Not only is the clothing on that site modest, prairie-like, warmer than modern clothes, they are fully functional. Not fashion.

Yeesh. Next time I have a nice link to share, I won’t bother! Go ahead and make fun of me. I’m used to it. Had been made fun of all my life, just because I’m…“different”.

[nothing was stated out of unkindness]
 
The women that wear jumpers and long skirts all the time frustrate me. I am new to the Church but very traditional in my leanings, and apparantly the more traditional mothers don’t feel any kinship to a woman that doesn’t wear skirts all the time.

It seems to be a form of religious snobbery to me. I get my clothes from donations, so I end up with mostly ill-fitting blue jeans and t-shirts instead of pretty skirts and dresses.

Apparantly not being able to afford to replace my wardrobe isn’t a good enough excuse for not dressing in skirts all the time.

It would be nice to make some friends but if it’s that conditional, forget it.
 
seremina said:
Yeesh. Next time I have a nice link to share, I won’t bother! Go ahead and make fun of me. I’m used to it. Had been made fun of all my life, just because I’m…“different”.
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Hi seremina,
I know how you feel about being “different.” My sister and I have always been different from the rest of our family and the mainstream, but we like it. As long as the one who is “different” is pleasing to God, that’s all that matters.

As far as not supporting that website with purchases, I think the argument was raised mostly as a means of reinforcing their distaste for the clothing. Really, I wonder if these same people are as selective of where they buy all of their goods? Are they aware of the religious affiliations of the owners of the shops and businesses they patronize? How about that Jewish Deli down the street? Buying from them is supporting their false religion, too.
 
OneAugustKnight said:
The women that wear jumpers and long skirts all the time frustrate me. I am new to the Church but very traditional in my leanings, and apparantly the more traditional mothers don’t feel any kinship to a woman that doesn’t wear skirts all the time.

It seems to be a form of religious snobbery to me. I get my clothes from donations, so I end up with mostly ill-fitting blue jeans and t-shirts instead of pretty skirts and dresses.

Apparantly not being able to afford to replace my wardrobe isn’t a good enough excuse for not dressing in skirts all the time.

It would be nice to make some friends but if it’s that conditional, forget it.
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Are you certain that they are judging you? i ask this because at one point, i wore dresses most of the time and i certainly wasn’t judging anyone. 🙂 has anyone said anything rude to you?
 
laudamus_te said:
Hi seremina,
I know how you feel about being “different.” My sister and I have always been different from the rest of our family and the mainstream, but we like it. As long as the one who is “different” is pleasing to God, that’s all that matters.

As far as not supporting that website with purchases, I think the argument was raised mostly as a means of reinforcing their distaste for the clothing. Really, I wonder if these same people are as selective of where they buy all of their goods? Are they aware of the religious affiliations of the owners of the shops and businesses they patronize? How about that Jewish Deli down the street? Buying from them is supporting their false religion, too.
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That “Jewish deli down the street” likely doesn’t have a placard in the window that advertises falsehoods about Holy Mother Church. If it did, I certainly would not patronize it, as I would know that I was not considered to be a welcome customer. That is my main objection to a Catholic shopping at that website. I know there must be other websites that sell similar clothing without a hefty dose of anti-Catholicism. As long as they’re not out and out bashing the Church, who cares if the proprietors are Mormon, Muslim, or Holiness Pentecostal?
 
Laudamus,

I’m glad you understand. [sighs] I’m really really tired of being picked on. It just never ends. Satan is certainly enjoying using me for a bull’s-eye in his archery games. Don’t know if that expression makes any sense. I can’t think of any other way to put it, but it does make me feel he’s using people to get me to leave Catholicism.

Its horribly difficult to find modest clothes in my area and haven’t had much luck looking online. Plainly Dressed was the only place I found thus far and I’m pretty pleased with the modesty they have. It honestly looks more prairie-ish than Amish if you just avoid the Amish styles and Amish headcoverings.

I’m more after the prairie dress, their dress-like apron that goes over like a pinafore, a bonnet, their empire jumper, can’t afford the shoes but I like them, in short…just prairie-style. I like their maternity clothes too.

Salvation Army is Protestant and sells clothes, but I won’t say anything further. I didn’t think it was important where you shopped. In this day and age of a wide gap between the rich and poor, I didn’t think it mattered. I certainly wasn’t supporting anybody. All Plainly Dressed money goes towards a Mennonite mother of many children, and I think she gives some as charity to her Mennonite and Amish friends/family. What’s so wrong about that? At least the money’s going to people and food. As for the charge that it has Anti-Catholic stuff in it, I haven’t noticed anything like that and they regularly supply the clothes and stuff even to Catholics.

Thank you, Laudamus. You helped me calm down. It’d be nice if we lived near each other.
laudamus_te said:
Hi seremina,
I know how you feel about being “different.” My sister and I have always been different from the rest of our family and the mainstream, but we like it. As long as the one who is “different” is pleasing to God, that’s all that matters.

As far as not supporting that website with purchases, I think the argument was raised mostly as a means of reinforcing their distaste for the clothing. Really, I wonder if these same people are as selective of where they buy all of their goods? Are they aware of the religious affiliations of the owners of the shops and businesses they patronize? How about that Jewish Deli down the street? Buying from them is supporting their false religion, too.
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OneAugustKnight said:
The women that wear jumpers and long skirts all the time frustrate me. I am new to the Church but very traditional in my leanings, and apparantly the more traditional mothers don’t feel any kinship to a woman that doesn’t wear skirts all the time.

It seems to be a form of religious snobbery to me. I get my clothes from donations, so I end up with mostly ill-fitting blue jeans and t-shirts instead of pretty skirts and dresses.

Apparantly not being able to afford to replace my wardrobe isn’t a good enough excuse for not dressing in skirts all the time.

It would be nice to make some friends but if it’s that conditional, forget it.
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How long have you been a member of the particular church you are attending, and is it a strictly traditional one? Making friends is a 2-way street, and perhaps you are not meeting them halfway, either? I don’t think lack of money is an excuse for immodest or inappropriate clothing at Mass. Used skirts or dresses are just as easy to come by as jeans and t-shirts. They don’t need to be pretty and new. This is not a criticism of you personally, there isn’t enough from your post to really know you or your circumstances.
 
SeekerJen said:
That “Jewish deli down the street” likely doesn’t have a placard in the window that advertises falsehoods about Holy Mother Church. If it did, I certainly would not patronize it, as I would know that I was not considered to be a welcome customer. That is my main objection to a Catholic shopping at that website. I know there must be other websites that sell similar clothing without a hefty dose of anti-Catholicism. As long as they’re not out and out bashing the Church, who cares if the proprietors are Mormon, Muslim, or Holiness Pentecostal?
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So, as long as you don’t know what they’re doing with the money, that a percentage of it is going to the support of anti-Catholic, false religions, it’s OK? Well, whatever makes you feel good, I guess.
 
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