Women's jumpers: YEAH or NAY

[Jacafamala]

That plainlydressed.com style isn’t for me, either. I’m a Catholic, not a Puritan.

Pax Christi,
Ann

 

[laudamus_te]

Is there a rule somewhere that says modesty must be ugly?

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Personally, I find a lot of those other patterns that were linked, reflecting styles of the 40s and 50s, to be unattractive as well as immodest (too low necklines, bare arms).

Besides being heinously anti-Catholic, that plainlydressed.com/ website sells clothes for Puritans or people who wish to call attention to themselves by their eccentricity. This is another example of Protestantism run amok. Have you ever seen how denuded of beauty Protestant churches are? These clothes similarly strip the God-given beauty of any woman.

I am not an advocate of Protestantism or Puritanism by any means, but you are equating garments with beauty, which is wrong. I think Our Lady was the most beautiful woman who lived. Are not people who dress in styles which they consider attractive and stylish wishing to call attention to themselves? If you really think honestly about it, you must say yes.

 

[jrabs]

That sounds very narrow-minded. Those simple dresses can be created in any number of ways to make them more appealing to “modern sensibilities.” Fabric choice can vary, shoes etc. can create a very unique and cute look. All that is needed is to get past the “distasteful Amish” mindset. And having people gawk at you - who cares? Personally, I’d rather be gawked at for wearing something like that than what most women are gawked at for nowadays.

Naw. Not narrow minded. I just don’t think one needs to be dressed in Amish -type garb. I think it is unattractive. If it’s your style, then have at it.

If you are dressing for religious modesty, and I am assuming you are as a faithful Catholic woman, you also should not need to bring attention to yourself as if to say how modest you are. It’s not a “badge” .

There are tons of skirts and dresses out there mid calf length. I do not seem to have any problem at all achieving the buttoned up and appropriate look of a modest woman in her 40’s. I still look like a smart, modern woman in today’s society.

 

[cmt]

I put Catholic women who dress modestly on pedestals. :bowdown:

But, surely, there must be a better alternative than jumpers! Can’t women dress modestly without looking like they just got back from the little house on the prairie?

Are jumpers the defacto uniform of traditional Catholic women? Are modesty and stylishness mutually exclusive?

finitesite.com/vesselsofmercy/dressesjumper.html

No they are not the defacto uniform. Some people go to extremes I guess. Saint Theresa Little Flower dressed to the nines before she became a nun. She didn’t wear dowdy cloths.If good taste and style were good enough for her, they should be good enough for us also.

The Jumpers and severe look is not only depressing, it has nothing to do with Catholic…reminds me more of a SDA or some other denomination. This jumper idea is pretty weird to me. I certainly have no trouble finding or making decent modest cloths.

 

[LJN21]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Personally, I find a lot of those other patterns that were linked, reflecting styles of the 40s and 50s, to be unattractive as well as immodest (too low necklines, bare arms).

I am not an advocate of Protestantism or Puritanism by any means, but you are equating garments with beauty, which is wrong. I think Our Lady was the most beautiful woman who lived. Are not people who dress in styles which they consider attractive and stylish wishing to call attention to themselves? If you really think honestly about it, you must say yes.

You ever consider that maybe, just maybe, Our Blessed Mother dressed that way because it was the custom of the time and to dress any other way would cause scandal, not because wearing pants or not every every inch of skin covered was immodest?

 

[laudamus_te]

If you are dressing for religious modesty, and I am assuming you are as a faithful Catholic woman, you also should not need to bring attention to yourself as if to say how modest you are. It’s not a “badge”.

I keep seeing this type of comment, and I can’t figure out where it’s coming from. So, people call attention to themselves by dressing modestly, or call attention to themselves by dressing alluringly. It seems like a no-win situation. I’ll tell you what it is for me: I dress modestly because I want to please God. I don’t wear it as a “badge” or to call attention to myself, or to appear pious or “holier-than-thou” and you should refrain from accusing me or anyone else of doing so. I couldn’t care less what other people think of me because of what I wear.

 

[laudamus_te]

You ever consider that maybe, just maybe, Our Blessed Mother dressed that way because it was the custom of the time and to dress any other way would cause scandal, not because wearing pants or not every every inch of skin covered was immodest?

You are missing my point. Our Lady was beautiful even though she was covered, head to toe.

 

[LJN21]

You are missing my point. Our Lady was beautiful even though she was covered, head to toe.

Not at all, I understand that point. You however missed mine.

 

[jrabs]

I keep seeing this type of comment, and I can’t figure out where it’s coming from. So, people call attention to themselves by dressing modestly, or call attention to themselves by dressing alluringly. It seems like a no-win situation. I’ll tell you what it is for me: I dress modestly because I want to please God. I don’t wear it as a “badge” or to call attention to myself, or to appear pious or “holier-than-thou” and you should refrain from accusing me or anyone else of doing so. I couldn’t care less what other people think of me because of what I wear.

Let’s separate those who are dressing to allure.

You say you like the Amish style of dress. I said it would draw attention to oneself to be gawked at. You said , “who cares”.

Now I am saying, if we are called to be modest, we do not need to do it in a manner that screams how modest we are in a showy display of modesty. A kin to praying behind closed doors, or not having your right hand know what your left hand is doing type stuff. That goes along with the modesty - not just modesty in dress.

It’s part of the whole modesty package - humility.

Believe it or not, we can blend into society and cover up at the same time. Shoes and all.

 

[laudamus_te]

Not at all, I understand that point. You however missed mine.

I did not miss anything. WHY Our Lady dressed as she did has nothing to do with her beauty. You are trying to introduce an irrelevant point in response to what I was saying.

 

[jrabs]

I did not miss anything. WHY Our Lady dressed as she did has nothing to do with her beauty. You are trying to introduce an irrelevant point in response to what I was saying.

She dressed in the maner of the times. Yes - evidently the fashion then was more covered.

 

[LJN21]

Let’s separate those who are dressing to allure.

You say you like the Amish style of dress. I said it would draw attention to oneself to be gawked at. You said , “who cares”.

Now I am saying, if we are called to be modest, we do not need to do it in a manner that screams how modest we are in a showy display of modesty. A kin to praying behind closed doors, or not having your right hand know what your left hand is doing type stuff. That goes along with the modesty - not just modesty in dress.

It’s part of the whole modesty package - humility.

Believe it or not, we can blend into society and cover up at the same time. Shoes and all.

 

[laudamus_te]

Let’s separate those who are dressing to allure.

You say you like the Amish style of dress. I said it would draw attention to oneself to be gawked at. You said , “who cares”.

Now I am saying, if we are called to be modest, we do not need to do it in a manner that screams how modest we are in a showy display of modesty. A kin to praying behind closed doors, or not having your right hand know what your left hand is doing type stuff. That goes along with the modesty - not just modesty in dress.

It’s part of the whole modesty package - humility.

Believe it or not, we can blend into society and cover up at the same time. Shoes and all.

I think we are really in agreement here, and don’t even know it. First of all, I have said that I like the dresses that the Amish wear, and can envision them made in a variety of attractive fabrics, but that does not mean that I would deck myself out in Amish clothes, bonnet and all. That would definitely be gawk-worthy in my environment. You and others here seem to have jumped to the conclusion that because I expressed a fondness for Amish-style dresses, that I embrace their whole mentality as well.

I think the Quaker-Amish plain dress is wonderfully simple and adaptable to a variety of fabrics. Tell you what, when I finally get around to making a plain dress, I’ll post a picture of it and you can all tell me if it’s ugly or not.

 

[laudamus_te]

She dressed in the maner of the times. Yes - evidently the fashion then was more covered.

But I still think you are missing my point!! She is beautiful, even though she is covered almost completely. It doesn’t matter that she is garbed in what many would consider an unattractive manner. I’m sure you would not consider Her more beautiful is she was wearing a cute 50s style dress, just because it was more fashionable.

 

[jrabs]

I think we are really in agreement here, and don’t even know it. First of all, I have said that I like the dresses that the Amish wear, and can envision them made in a variety of attractive fabrics, but that does not mean that I would deck myself out in Amish clothes, bonnet and all. That would definitely be gawk-worthy in my environment. You and others here seem to have jumped to the conclusion that because I expressed a fondness for Amish-style dresses, that I embrace their whole mentality as well.

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No, I believe you to be a faithful Catholic in your beliefs striving for complete modesty. I think the Amish style appeals to you, which is fine.
You sound as if you have been frustrated with the styles you see at the store. Who wouldn’t be. But one needs to shop on…sometimes the skirts I select are so long they need to be shortened lest I trip on them at work.

I am just saying that we can cover up if that is what we want. There are great summer sweaters out there, and some nice skirts and tops if one looks around or shops on line.

Anyway, as with jumpers, if that is a preference, fine. It’s just not the only way to present yourself as a Catholic woman.

 

[laudamus_te]

No, I believe you to be a faithful Catholic in your beliefs striving for complete modesty. I think the Amish style appeals to you, which is fine.
You sound as if you have been frustrated with the styles you see at the store. Who wouldn’t be. But one needs to shop on…sometimes the skirts I select are so long they need to be shortened lest I trip on them at work.

I am just saying that we can cover up if that is what we want. There are great summer sweaters out there, and some nice skirts and tops if one looks around or shops on line.

Anyway, as with jumpers, if that is a preference, fine. It’s just not the only way to present yourself as a Catholic woman.

No, I’m not frustrated, but I am appalled at what I see in the stores and what I see women wearing. I don’t have a problem dressing modestly, because I know what to look for in the stores and online (I don’t shop much, anyway), and I sew a lot. I’m not a huge fan of jumpers, but I don’t consider them ugly or “Puritan.” It depends on what you do with them as far as shirt or t-shirt underneath and shoes. I haven’t been accused (yet) of being frumpy, dowdy or Puritan. In fact, I often get compliments on my clothes.

 

[jrabs]

No, I’m not frustrated, but I am appalled at what I see in the stores and what I see women wearing. I don’t have a problem dressing modestly, because I know what to look for in the stores and online (I don’t shop much, anyway), and I sew a lot. I’m not a huge fan of jumpers, but I don’t consider them ugly or “Puritan.” It depends on what you do with them as far as shirt or t-shirt underneath and shoes. I haven’t been accused (yet) of being frumpy, dowdy or Puritan. In fact, I often get compliments on my clothes.

excellent. Then we part this thread as friends. Thanks for the chat today.

 

[MrsMW]

But I still think you are missing my point!! She is beautiful, even though she is covered almost completely. It doesn’t matter that she is garbed in what many would consider an unattractive manner. I’m sure you would not consider Her more beautiful is she was wearing a cute 50s style dress, just because it was more fashionable.

Let us not forget Mary was poor. Even if she wanted to dress in the style of the day she couldn’t. Who knows what she would have dressed like in this day and age.

Amen to point that someone made that dressing like the Amish( Patterns or not) will draw alot of attention to you. Ugly does not equal piety.

I for one will dress modest but I refuse to look like a fundamentalist mormon or protestant.

 

[laudamus_te]

excellent. Then we part this thread as friends. Thanks for the chat today.

Thank you, too.

 

[ElizabethPH]

I wouldn’t send them any money since they are so anti-Catholic. The Catholics didn’t dress like this before Vatican II and I see reason to start this. This is a group of people who spread the lies that so many have been blinded to God’s Holy Church.

As one who is a convert from a Church who said the Pope was an anti-christ I would urge anyone not to send this group one cent. Even if you do want to dress like a Amnish protestant you can get the garb from somewhere else. Remeber whoever owns this group will give 10% to this false church!

SInce when do we have to dress modestly under our clothes and when we go to bed! My husband was there when I had c-sections, miscarriages and post partum exams. He also for the record got me pregnant! Last I checked he was joined to me in the Holy Mystery of matrimony. Yikes!

I know for me the discussion was about jumpers after all. I can’t imagine as a Catholic dressing in the Menonite/Amish style. If you did, it would indeed be very strange; and be mistaken for protestant. As for the jumpers they are just a style of dressing that can afford some modesty and have nothing to do with what religion you are. One can find some cute jumpers out there and I don’t see anything wrong with wearing them if thats what you like.