Worker Wages: Wendy's vs. Wal-Mart vs. Costco

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Orogeny said:
Did they find out what the job pays AFTER being hired?

These threads baffle me. Should someone who is out of work be able to demand that McDonald’s or Walmart pay them what their last job paid? Or should they get paid for the job done?

What is fair?

Peace

Tim
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What does this have to do with the question of fair wages?🤷

ATB
 
stinkcat_14 said:
At my house we sometimes hire an older lady to do cleaning and other sorts of activity. We pay her about $10 an hour, which is clearly not enough to live on. But if we had to pay a living wage we probably just would do the work ourselves. How would that make this woman better off?
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Last time I heard a living wage figure it was $10.00hr. So, I think you are doing alright by that lady.

ATB
 
Seaoctopus said:
Well I am going to wade into this morass of a thread.

If you want to influence behavior of businesses ( wages paid ) , you need to patronize those that behave in the way you want.

In and Out burger treats its folks quite well

businessinsider.com/in-and-out-employee-pay-2013-2

Dick’s ( a local chain here in Seattle ) provides childcare assistance, textbook funds for students, and a variety of other benefits ( ddir.com/employment )

Nobody holds a gun to your head and forces you to eat Mickey Ds
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I was going to post the same thing. We support Dick’s and shop at Costco because they treat their employees with respect. There was an interesting article in Times this week, how Wal-Mart needs to worry about Winco (another store we support) .business.time.com/2013/08/07/meet-the-low-key-low-cost-grocery-chain-being-called-wal-marts-worst-nightmare/
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
Indeed it is. My tax dollars have to subsidize that cheap labor because $7.25 or $2.13 (waiter’s wage) isn’t enough for most to live on independently of a social welfare program. Businesses are pretty charitable with other people’s money.

I believe I answered those questions in the post you quoted. :confused:
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Your your theory works only if one believes all money belongs to the Govt and taxation merely defines how much of their money we greedy tho keep.
 
mum4boys said:
I was going to post the same thing. We support Dick’s and shop at Costco because they treat their employees with respect. There was an interesting article in Times this week, how Wal-Mart needs to worry about Winco (another store we support) .business.time.com/2013/08/07/meet-the-low-key-low-cost-grocery-chain-being-called-wal-marts-worst-nightmare/
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In my area the local Aldi’s pays quite a bit more than Walmart, but there are two features about Aldi’s workers that I noticed. First is that they don’t have many, since you bag your own groceries and put a 25 cent deposit to get your cart which you get back when you return it to the cart corral. Second, the workers at Aldi’s work hard in that when they are not checking they are stocking shelves. You also have fewer choices with Aldi’s, but usually good prices.
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
I believe I answered those questions in the post you quoted. :confused:
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You are right - I checked again and you did answer. So you think the 17 year old kid working part time flipping burgers so that he has money to goof off with should be paid a wage based on the cost of living for a single man living on his own - who has to pay all the utilities, rent, etc. ?? That seems arbitrary and unfair.

Ishii
 
ishii said:
You are right - I checked again and you did answer. So you think the 17 year old kid working part time flipping burgers so that he has money to goof off with should be paid a wage based on the cost of living for a single man living on his own - who has to pay all the utilities, rent, etc. ?? That seems arbitrary and unfair.

Ishii
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Having the Govt involved in any way with setting wages is arbitrary and unfair
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
Indeed it is. My tax dollars have to subsidize that cheap labor because $7.25 or $2.13 (waiter’s wage) isn’t enough for most to live on independently of a social welfare program. Businesses are pretty charitable with other people’s money.
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Actually, in the case of waiters, I would argue that most good waiters easily earn a living wage. I know this because when my wife and I were first married, we saved my paycheck and lived quite comfortably on her earnings. Now of course, we didn’t have cable or cell phones, but those are overrated anyway. The one thing you need as a waiter though is good money management skills. Many restaurant servers are constantly broke because they spend like crazy during good times and cry poor during the winter when things are slow.
 
ishii said:
You are right - I checked again and you did answer. So you think the 17 year old kid working part time flipping burgers so that he has money to goof off with should be paid a wage based on the cost of living for a single man living on his own - who has to pay all the utilities, rent, etc. ?? That seems arbitrary and unfair.
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I don’t think it is arbitrary or unfair. The base pay is decided using objective criteria.
estesbob said:
Having the Govt involved in any way with setting wages is arbitrary and unfair
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If businesses could be trusted to pay fair wages then neither unions or labor laws would ever have come into existence and we wouldn’t be seeing them working their foreign laborers like indentured servants.
 
ishii said:
Agree. However, I think there is a good argument for getting child tax credits, eg.

Ishii
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Personally I think most tax credits and tax deductions are arbitrary and unfair as well. After all, why should someone who doesn’t have kids pay more than someone who doesn’t? Or why should someone who has a mortgage pay less in tax than someone who doesn’t? It is all pretty arbitrary.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
Personally I think most tax credits and tax deductions are arbitrary and unfair as well. After all, why should someone who doesn’t have kids pay more than someone who doesn’t? Or why should someone who has a mortgage pay less in tax than someone who doesn’t? It is all pretty arbitrary.
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One reason would be to encourage behavior that contributes and strengthens society - such as marriage and raising kids. I agree with you about the mortgage interest deduction. However, I would only support getting rid of these deductions if the overall tax rate was reduced significantly.

Ishii
 
Mickey_Finn said:
I think the whole point is that their profits are so high. Yet their workers, the ones who do the money making. Earn so little they have to rely on public assistance. It should be a matter of great shame to them.

ATB
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And yet the same is true in other idustrialized nations, for example, where there is single-payer health care.
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
I don’t think it is arbitrary or unfair. The base pay is decided using objective criteria.

If businesses could be trusted to pay fair wages then neither unions or labor laws would ever have come into existence and we wouldn’t be seeing them working their foreign laborers like indentured servants.
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I would trust business day over the Govt.
 
estesbob said:
I would trust business day over the Govt.
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I don’t think either entity can be trusted. However, it is much easier to keep a businessman honest, as long as that businessman is not in bed with the government. After all if an employer treats me badly or underpays me I will find a new job. Nothing like turnover costs to make a businessman rethink his practices.
 
St_Francis said:
And yet the same is true in other idustrialized nations, for example, where there is single-payer health care.
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Australia: $16.91 USD
France: $12.68 USD
Germany: set by collective bargaining
UK: $9.83 USD
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