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AlanFromWichita:
Jesus told us that the sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath.

I think as soon as you become a slave to rules on what you can/cannot do on the sabbath you give up your freedom. I’m convinced that God instituted the sabbath to allow people to have a day of rest, not to force them to refrain from specific activities on a particular day. Therefore I voted for option #3.

Alan
I voted for option 2 on this one, because there are times (and as a mother I am referring to my sons and their deliberate attempt to avoid Mass) when this work is used as a way of getting out of honouring God.

At the present time I am engaged in a conflict of opinion with a Puritian preacher on the Apostolic Truth list (ApostolicTruth@Yahoo.com) and he is trying to tell me that if I purchase a cup of coffee to drink with my husband in the local shopping centre I am going to hell. I do not agree with this interpretation of how we honour God and stay faithful to making the Day of the Lord our Day of Rest.

Alan I think that you have given a very succint answer to this question because when we begin to impose such rules we forget precisely why God wanted us to “Remember to keep holy the Sabbath day”

Maggie
 
For me, this is the hardest commandment to honestly keep because of the wide open shopping etc on Sunday and the laxness with which Catholics approach keeping this commandment. In reality, 2185 in the Catholic Catechism really sums it all up. There may be some gray areas but it comes down to how seriously do we want to apply the intention of this commandment. I think if we approach it from the direction of asking ourselves why this work is essential (not whether this work is wrong to do) will help us to better interpret the commandment in the day to day living of it.
For example, my husband has to work because his job is in retail and if he doesn’t agree to Sunday work, he won’t have any job. I have had to work in the past because I am a nurse. I took my fair share without a thought - the ill have to be nursed and it is not only necessary work but also work of compassion. However, if I took every Sunday shift from all the others who wanted to give them away just to make more money, then it would become contrary to the command to keep Sunday holy. Finally, our 16 year old daughter got an offer to work occasionally to make some extra cash on Sundays in a flower shop. It really hurt to say, “No” but it wasn’t necessary work and she didn’t need the money that badly. Seeing other Catholic friends working made that difficult for her. I teach and bring home alot of marking. The priest I discussed this with said that sitting with the family marking some papers would be OK because it is not strenuous and it doesn’t take me away from my family. But sitting away in my own little office all day marking essays is not OK. I can see the difference. And to be honest, even sitting marking tests makes me less interactive with my family and makes me want to refuse to ‘do something fun’ so I think that even that little bit is better avoided.
 
I grew up in Pa where we had “blue laws” for many years. EVERYTHING (except hospitals and the phone co.) was closed on Sunday. Sundays were for Church and family and no one even thought of shopping of any kind or working. How I miss that!
 
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LabChick:
None of the above.

As a surgeon, I think it would be more of a sin for me not to go to work if I’m scheduled on a Sunday.

I still go to Mass daily through the week and on either Saturday or Sunday.
Possibly #2 should read “if it is necessary that the work be done on that day.” Obviously, we don’t want the surgeons staying home on Sunday for traumas or even pressing surgeries, but they would probably be better surgeons if they scheduled elective surgeries and staffed their hospitals so as to get meaningful rest.

The main thing is treating regular and substantial time to worship, rest, and reflect as a positive good, not a luxury or a personal option that some don’t need. Because we do this as a body, when the possibility to worship together exists the day does matter.
 
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catsrus:
I grew up in Pa where we had “blue laws” for many years. EVERYTHING (except hospitals and the phone co.) was closed on Sunday. Sundays were for Church and family and no one even thought of shopping of any kind or working. How I miss that!
My grandfather went so far as this: once he had a field of strawberries on his farm that had to be picked on Sunday, or the crop would be lost. He made the day of work optional (that is, no one lost their bonus for showing up every day all season if they missed the Sunday) got the crop picked, and when the cannery paid him for the berries, he split the proceeds among those who had brought in the crop. He had the berries picked so that they wouldn’t be wasted, but he kept nothing for himself. This was when gradeschool kids did much of the berry picking. I remember it well, because we made about four or five times the normal rate for the berries we picked that day.

How is it that back then, when you had to work harder at everything, when there was no permanent press and no microwave ovens, there was still time to rest on Sundays? I think it is because back then employers got two workers for every one that they paid: one to give their working hours to the employer and one to free the paid worker from all the domestic chores.

Now the families with two workers have to split that third shift… and we’ve added things on top of those schedules like year-around sports and two or three hours of TV or internet cruising a night. We’ve also re-defined what is necessity and what is luxury… and we feel entitled to a little luxury, at that.

Those unpaid workers (almost all moms) were also the ones who did the volunteer work at church, at hospitals, and so on back then. Now, thank goodness, we have some older people who are healthy well into retirement who can do some of that, but it is clear how grey the volunteer force has become.

These days, you really have to be willing to give up what your family and neighbors have in order to keep Sundays. You have to be content with less daily leisure than most people take and have to define your standard of living at a lower level than what most people give themselves.

I don’t want to go back to the '50s, but I do want to re-claim a re-examined version of those old priorities, where we are honest about whether or not we can accomodate a day of rest, worship, and almsgiving (read: volunteering) into our schedules. I’m far from that now, but that is where we want to head.
 
If someone has to work on Sunday then they could go to Saturday Vigil Mass which is the same as Sunday morning Mass.

Albert
 
it isnt a sin to work on sunday if you are required to work. But I have an idea:D all the denominitions of christianity who believe in no unneccesary work on sunday ought to group together, come up with a list of jobs that need one to work sunday like public safety, etc. then strong arm the others into not forcing their workers to work sundays. it might just work.
 
My husband has to work offshore alot and I always wondered if it was a sin if he is not home on sunday and can not go to church.

I feel as though if you do have to work on sunday that if there is an early morning mass for instance we have a five am mass in my parish that alot of men and women attend who have to work. Others may go on saturdays at four if they are to work on a sunday, but sometimes they are at work at that time and cant make it on saturday either. We also have a church parish only 15 minutes aways that has mass at 5 on sunday nights and one 30 minutes aways that has a 7 pm mass.

I believe if you have no possible way of getting to church then it would not be a sin, but if you can I would think you should at least try and attend.

The Lord sees our efforts and if he knows there is no possible way I am sure he wouldnt punish you for that.

God Bless, Kerri
 
I can see working on Sunday if you are required to…

As for “family necessity”… things like doing laundry, digging in the gardern, washing the car and cutting the grass are all manual labor and I was taught this was a no-no…

My grandmother raised 8 kids and NEVER did laundry, cut the grass or dug in the garden or swept the kitchen or vacumed the house or dusted or any other kind of manual labor on Sunday. That was what Saturday was for… NUF SAID! 😛
 
what is “required” work? i have no problem with people doing their laundry on sunday. their are necessary things to do around the house which some people can only do on the weekends. i think any work that you get payed for woulkd definitely be wrong. you have a choice to do that.
 
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Mycroft:
i think any work that you get payed for woulkd definitely be wrong. you have a choice to do that.
If one has a choice, then I agree with you. However, not everyone has a choice in one’s work schedule. I for one often must work Sundays (sometimes the whole weekend).
 
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pnewton:
If one has a choice, then I agree with you. However, not everyone has a choice in one’s work schedule. I for one often must work Sundays (sometimes the whole weekend).
i dont think you understand. noone forces you to go into work. you had a choice when you applied for your job to make sure you wouldnt be working on sundays. i guess you care more about your job than your faith. a lot of people dont seem to understand that your religion should come first.
 
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Mycroft:
you had a choice when you applied for your job to make sure you wouldnt be working on sundays. i guess you care more about your job than your faith. .
I am Catholic. I recommend before you judge me or anyone else again you understand this faith a little better. The Catechism is quite clear on the necessity of some work on Sunday and allows those involved to be dispensed from Sunday Mass obligation. I would hate to think the state of my profession if only non-Christians were employed in it.

Please read the Catechism on this subject. And while you are at it, please refrain from ignorant, judgemental statements like you posted.
 
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pnewton:
I am Catholic. I recommend before you judge me or anyone else again you understand this faith a little better. The Catechism is quite clear on the necessity of some work on Sunday and allows those involved to be dispensed from Sunday Mass obligation. I would hate to think the state of my profession if only non-Christians were employed in it.

Please read the Catechism on this subject. And while you are at it, please refrain from ignorant, judgemental statements like you posted.
are you being judgemental about me making judgemental statements?
 
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pnewton:
The Catechism is quite clear on the necessity of some work on Sunday and allows those involved to be dispensed from Sunday Mass obligation.
You could only be dispensed if your work makes it impossible for you to attend Mass on Sunday (or the Saturday vigil). In other words, you’re at work during all times that Mass is celebrated. Your work also has to be a “social necessity”. If you can attend one of the Masses but miss it because maybe you are too tired after getting off work or because the Mass time is at a time you just don’t feel like going to then you are in mortal sin.
 
Mt19:26:
You could only be dispensed if your work makes it impossible for you to attend Mass on Sunday (or the Saturday vigil). In other words, you’re at work during all times that Mass is celebrated. Your work also has to be a “social necessity”. If you can attend one of the Masses but miss it because maybe you are too tired after getting off work or because the Mass time is at a time you just don’t feel like going to then you are in mortal sin.
You are mistaken. Re-read paragraph 2181. You may be excused for serious reason or dispensed by your own pastor. There is no specific stipulation as to why a priest may dispense. Whatever reason the priest deems pastorally necessary may be used.

Common sense dictates that most priests understand the gravity of Sunday Mass attendance. If in doubt, always consult your priest. He is the designated decision maker in these matters.
 
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pnewton:
You are mistaken. Re-read paragraph 2181. You may be excused for serious reason or dispensed by your own pastor. There is no specific stipulation as to why a priest may dispense. Whatever reason the priest deems pastorally necessary may be used.

Common sense dictates that most priests understand the gravity of Sunday Mass attendance. If in doubt, always consult your priest. He is the designated decision maker in these matters.
I should have qualified my post as pertaining to missing Mass on Sunday in relation to work. I was aware of what it says in 2181. Thanks for pointing that out since others may have also read my post incorrectly.
 
Hi,

You are supposed to work on SUNday. Work 6 days, rest on the sabbath, WHICH IS Saturday. Nowhere in the Bible does it say to rest on the 1st day. I am also quite sure that the Bible says not to change scripture. Hmmmm. Check out www.tomorrowsworld.org

Bye,

Trav
 
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